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Old 04-10-2013, 08:27 AM    (permalink
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Eric Wright was resigned to a new deal, gives Tampa a little bit of leverage. Apparently the Buc's have a self imposed deadline for the Revis trade, April 18th. The Jets have not given permission for anyone to talk to Revis or his agents and the trade won't happen without a contract in place and a checkup by Tampa's doctors. I question if the Jets really want to trade him to be honest.
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You gotta give Revis a ton of credit. In a league where the owners have all the leverage, Revis is able to somehow get every penny he's worth while he can.

Once he's out of his prime he's not gonna make this kind of money and he knows it, so he's squeezing them for every penny while he can.

And to be fair, he's not really a jerk for it. Because once they have no more use for him as a player, they can cut him any time they want. So it goes both ways.
He (and I think Andre Johnson used to pull this too) are probably the smartest guys in the league for doing stuff like this. I applaud them, you should absolutely get yours, because the team won't hesitate to cut you loose when you aren't valuable to them.
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But at the same time as a man, you signed a contract...honor your word, and IF you are worth more than what you previously signed for then you will get it the next time around.
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But at the same time as a man, you signed a contract...honor your word, and IF you are worth more than what you previously signed for then you will get it the next time around.
But if they don't think he's worth it, they can cut him?
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Why would you cut a player that you have under contract that produces?
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Why would you cut a player that you have under contract that produces?
Money. The Vikings just cut Winfield even though he is still good. He just wasn't worth the money. It's a business. Owners don't have to honor contracts, so good for Revis. Get your money.
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But if they don't think he's worth it, they can cut him?
Isn't that why part of the contract is guaranteed?
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Money. The Vikings just cut Winfield even though he is still good. He just wasn't worth the money. It's a business. Owners don't have to honor contracts, so good for Revis. Get your money.
i understand that part, but in the sense of Revis. He signed a contract the jets are not goint to cut him.
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But at the same time as a man, you signed a contract...honor your word, and IF you are worth more than what you previously signed for then you will get it the next time around.
Those days are long gone. There is little, if any, loyalty from teams anymore. Players are just responding to what teams started doing. Teams have always cut players out of the blue, when they were very productive, but then tried to make players look greedy when they held out or wanted a raise. In today's game, you can't honor the contract and get it the next time around, because there is no next time around. Revis is 28. This is likely his last chance to ask anyone for more dough.
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Those days are long gone. There is little, if any, loyalty from teams anymore. Players are just responding to what teams started doing. Teams have always cut players out of the blue, when they were very productive, but then tried to make players look greedy when they held out or wanted a raise. In today's game, you can't honor the contract and get it the next time around, because there is no next time around. Revis is 28. This is likely his last chance to ask anyone for more dough.
Revis is not going to make nearly as much money as he has been making per year under the new cap, its a QB league now. Some really good players have signed recently and are getting pennies to what they would have been getting under the old CBA
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But at the same time as a man, you signed a contract...honor your word, and IF you are worth more than what you previously signed for then you will get it the next time around.
No one honors contracts. It's BS. Even outside of the sports world. If you're a contractor employee, you have every right to leave your contract at any time for a better opportunity. That's the risk they take when they hire contractors, in any corporation.

We see beat writers, radio show hosts, pretty much everyone on the planet leave their jobs when a better higher paying job comes around. So why should it be any different for players? It's a ton of crap.

Football teams, like any corporation, can fire you any time they want. They can fire, lay off, etc whenever they want. There's no such thing as company loyalty, bc the company is never loyal to you.

You make what you can when you can. And that doesn't just go for football players, that goes for all of us.
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No one honors contracts. It's BS. Even outside of the sports world. If you're a contractor employee, you have every right to leave your contract at any time for a better opportunity. That's the risk they take when they hire contractors, in any corporation.

We see beat writers, radio show hosts, pretty much everyone on the planet leave their jobs when a better higher paying job comes around. So why should it be any different for players? It's a ton of crap.

Football teams, like any corporation, can fire you any time they want. They can fire, lay off, etc whenever they want. There's no such thing as company loyalty, bc the company is never loyal to you.

You make what you can when you can. And that doesn't just go for football players, that goes for all of us.
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I don't know if this is BS or not, but apparently a source of PFT said the Bucs may take on Sanchez as well as Revis.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...f-revis-trade/
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I think there was a joke about that on a Patriots forum (when there was a rumor that the Patriots had the best offer for Revis)
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That is interesting. Sanchez or Garrard, don't see a whole of difference there anyways.

If they do that and draft Barkley at 9, it'll be a joke.
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I don't know if this is BS or not, but apparently a source of PFT said the Bucs may take on Sanchez as well as Revis.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...f-revis-trade/
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I don't know if this is BS or not, but apparently a source of PFT said the Bucs may take on Sanchez as well as Revis.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...f-revis-trade/
As I mentioned in another thread, I don't know why the Jets would take less for Revis just to include Sanchez in a deal. They should take their lumps with/bench Sanchez this year, whatever they prefer, and then cut him next year. That cap room isn't going to do them any good right now.
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If Buttfumble comes anywhere near the Buccaneers roster, I'll kill myself.


In regards to a trade for Revis specifically, I'm pretty much over this whole thing. At this point, I'd rather just sit right with the draft picks and select the best cornerback/defensive tackle combo we can get. Drafting Xavier Rhodes/Kawann Short or Star Lotulelei/Jonathan Banks (just random examples) would help this team a lot more than just Revis.
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As someone who's watched Revis his entire career and scouted both CBs, you will be very happy when you're proven totally wrong.

ACL surgery is the new Tommy John. All player's bodies and injuries aren't created equal but there's a pretty good chance Revis will be back to his old self at some point in the near future.

He and Deion are so much better than any other CB I've ever seen it's scary.

And you'll still have your 2nd to take Banks or Short so I don't get why it's either/or to you.
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As someone who's watched Revis his entire career and scouted both CBs, you will be very happy when you're proven totally wrong.

ACL surgery is the new Tommy John. All player's bodies and injuries aren't created equal but there's a pretty good chance Revis will be back to his old self at some point in the near future.

He and Deion are so much better than any other CB I've ever seen it's scary.

And you'll still have your 2nd to take Banks or Short so I don't get why it's either/or to you.
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I feel like Woodson was more of a ball hawk than a sticky cover guy and when he lost his quicks he moved to safety... I believe he even played safety for the Steelers durign the latter stages of his career before Baltimore.

But no, I don't remember him dominating opposing receivers like the other two. Not saying that I have an extensive memory on him or even Deion, but Sanders was so special it was hard to forget.
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As someone who's watched Revis his entire career and scouted both CBs, you will be very happy when you're proven totally wrong.

ACL surgery is the new Tommy John. All player's bodies and injuries aren't created equal but there's a pretty good chance Revis will be back to his old self at some point in the near future.

He and Deion are so much better than any other CB I've ever seen it's scary.

And you'll still have your 2nd to take Banks or Short so I don't get why it's either/or to you.
I'm not worried about Revis' medical status. I fully expect that he'll be 100%.

So, why would I prefer Milliner or Rhodes to Revis?

1) Revis is going to command $50+ million guaranteed and probably somewhere around $12 million a year. Either of the rookies would probably end up with a 4-year contract worth $11-12 million with the team option for a 5th year.

"But, Legacy! The Bucs have over $30 million in cap space!" Yeah... And they also have a lot of young players who are in need of extensions. Mike Williams. Gerald McCoy. Freeman will get a new contract if he plays well this coming year. If the Bucs have a ton of cap room left again this year, they can either roll it over or front-load extensions for their good young players and set themselves up for an ideal cap situation down the road.

And all that isn't even getting into the holes that still remain on the roster...

2) Revis has a history of holdouts. Everyone pretends that making him the highest paid cornerback in history will change that, but we don't know that for sure. His pattern of behavior suggests otherwise. Who's to say he won't start whining again like Lance Briggs did before the ink was even dry on his contract?

3) Age. Revis is 28 and he's in the prime of his career, but he's also not far from the point where he'll probably begin to decline. Trading for a player of his caliber at the cost of draft picks is a "Win now" move. The probably with that is, as much as some Bucs fans would like to believe otherwise, the Bucs aren't in a position where they know and expect that they'll be in the playoffs. The team still has building to do, therefore the 22 year old rookie offers more to the team down the road. These types of trades are made by teams like the Niners, Ravens and Patriots, not a team that hasn't made the playoffs since 2007.
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I respect your opinion and it's not misinformed, but I disagree with all three. I can see No. 3 though.

1) That's based on Freeman. The only way signing THE BEST CB IN THE GAME to a huge deal (impact position, impact player - people are infatuated with cap room - you WANT to use your cap room on good players...) will really hurt their cap in the next few years is if Freeman commands a huge deal. Which would mean your franchise QB took the next step. That's not a bad situation. And they can afford to pay those players regardless. No one else on the team is making any money besides VJax. Plus, you have to trust your cap guys - I'm sure Revis' deal will be front-loaded for the same reasons you've pointed out... it just makes sense. They are going to guarantee him a boatload. What's the point of playing 2013 with 10-15 mil in cap room?

2) I've said this countless times. The deal is done. They've already done it. Revis' holdouts were the product of the Jets making bad promises to pay him because they wanted to use that money on other players bc they thought they were SB caliber. Revis has consistently said he deserves to be the top paid CB because he's the best. And he's right. He's always had an argument. Once he signs his deal he'll be all smiles.

3) It's not a bad point. But a 22-year old rookie has about a .01% chance to be as effective as Revis and the plan to draft a guy and have a starter for 10 years is a borderline pipe dream (most first round picks do not net that result). The point here isn't to set things up like you're playing a Madden franchise. The Bucs are making a calculated move to improve the team in 2013, 2014, and 2015. That's GS/MD's window. Revis helps that. I don't think it's any more cut-and-dry than that. Adding him won't KILL their cap so long as they're wise with their other signings. You should pay big money to big players, not keep cap space in hopes that you will find big players. I think they'll be able to afford McCoy and Williams in addition to Revis and that's based on very very very rough math (you aren't paying huge money to anyone else besides VJax).

Freeman might make it dicey but if you want to extend him, that's a GOOD thing.

And I can feel the Nnamdi comparisons coming, I really can, and don't even go there. Revis has always been so much better and even if he has a drop in production, predicting a fall from grace like Nnamdi's is just silly.
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I'm not worried about Revis' medical status. I fully expect that he'll be 100%.

So, why would I prefer Milliner or Rhodes to Revis?

1) Revis is going to command $50+ million guaranteed and probably somewhere around $12 million a year. Either of the rookies would probably end up with a 4-year contract worth $11-12 million with the team option for a 5th year.

"But, Legacy! The Bucs have over $30 million in cap space!" Yeah... And they also have a lot of young players who are in need of extensions. Mike Williams. Gerald McCoy. Freeman will get a new contract if he plays well this coming year. If the Bucs have a ton of cap room left again this year, they can either roll it over or front-load extensions for their good young players and set themselves up for an ideal cap situation down the road.

And all that isn't even getting into the holes that still remain on the roster...
The guys you listed are expendable, your coach supposedly doesn't like your QB, and Revis isn't getting 12 million a year guaranteed. He'd be lucky to get 12 million a year, period. Maybe a team goes nuts and gives him 13, but most of that (half?) will not be guaranteed.
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