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Old 04-13-2013, 02:49 AM    (permalink
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Mine is the receiver that catches the most passes. A lot of people's definition of a number 1 receiver is a Aj Green type player.

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It's not really a technical football term so the definition is somewhat up for interpretation. But what if a TE or back lead his team in receptions, does that make him the #1 reciever? That's a potential problem with your definition. I think when people say #1 reciever, they mean a guy who plays the X or Z positions in a traditional offense and is usually the primary read for the QB.
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A true #1 WR can dominate 1 on 1 coverage...thats my only criteria. Whether he does it through deep speed, quickness, strength and power, or technique....it doesn't matter. If you leave him 1 on 1 he will win most of the time.
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Shake's pretty much got it. You're really just talking about a guy who you feel can consistently beat single coverage, so that he's either open, or drawing an extra defender consistently enough that you can compose your gameplan accordingly.
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+1 for shakes definition

I'd also add that in my head, a #1 can thrive while lined up wide. Not to discredit slot recievers, it's just what I've been taught and I believe.
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A #1 WR is someone who can manage not only 1 on 1 coverage, but when teams game-plan to take him away. He opens things up for the other WRs by making teams respect what he can do.

A #1 can't be defined as easily as the WR that catches the most passes, or the other stats they produce. They can't be labeled as "the one who has the most catches". When people refer to a #1 WR, they aren't talking about who's the best WR on that team, they're talking about if he has the ability to do what I've already stated. Of the 32 teams right now, only part of them have #1s, even some WRs that are considered some of the best in the league aren't considered "#1 WRs"
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A #1 WR is the best WR on his team, therefore the #1 receiving option.
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A #1 WR is the best WR on his team, therefore the #1 receiving option.
This, IMO, is where it gets tricky.

IMO, there IS a difference between being a #1 target and a #1 WR. Wes Welker is a #1 target. Andre Johnson is a #1 WR.
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This, IMO, is where it gets tricky.

IMO, there IS a difference between being a #1 target and a #1 WR. Wes Welker is a #1 target. Andre Johnson is a #1 WR.
Welker number 1 receiver, Andre Johnson Elite receiver.
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Welker number 1 receiver, Andre Johnson Elite receiver.
playing in the slot automatically disqualifies welker for a #1 receiver if you ask me. A good #1 has the ability to push the safeties back a few yards
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Welker number 1 receiver, Andre Johnson Elite receiver.
Everyone has their own definition. That's mine. I think fantasy football really helped guys like Welker a lot in this regard.
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#1 WR is someone that other team has to gameplan for, and shadow him with extra coverage besides the CB. He is able to stretch the field and go over the middle of the field which makes the DB completely helpless when guessing how to defend him. He is the go to man on 3rd and 8 or in the redzone.
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a number 1 receiver is who the teams passing offense runs through.

Teams had to focus on Welker, the Patriots offense ran through him. Its not like teams watched the film and decided "we're just going to let him get 6 to 12 catches a game moving the chains" The definition of a number 1 receiver has changed. Welker is elite for what he is asked to do. No combination of coverages could stop him, he even got by on Revis numerous times, one a big one. Cassel as the qb? no problem? no Moss? no problem. Gronk hurt? no problem. Can he be a guy that catches a poorly thrown jump ball? no, but what he was asked to do, he was elite at. You couldn't ask Andre Johnson to do the things Welker did. Welker has like 4,000 yards after the catch. The only ones coming close to that percentage of how many yards were after the catch compared to yards total are Percy Harvin and Randall Cobb. Was Percy Harvin not a number 1 receiver?

with the spread coming to the NFL its all changed. Look at how Texas Tech was, Welker had a 100+ catches and was the go to guy in the slot. Then Crabtree comes in after Welker was gone and puts up 100+ catches on the outside. Danny Amendola also put up 100+ catches, and while he was a slot receiver, he didn't line up in the same spot as Welker. Leach, and now Holgerson like to keep receivers lined up in one spot consistently, which is why he can install the offense in 3 days, of course with modifications later on.

Personally, I think we might see more slot receivers being the go to guys. Many corners struggle playing on the inside, they are used to using the sideline as help. Tavon Austin might be the next.
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Mine is the receiver that catches the most passes. A lot of people's definition of a number 1 receiver is a Aj Green type player.
Catches the most passes works, but ideally you'd draw a double team and be able to make a pay against just about any coverage.
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+1 for shakes definition

I'd also add that in my head, a #1 can thrive while lined up wide. Not to discredit slot recievers, it's just what I've been taught and I believe.
why cant a slot reciever be a number 1 guy? would you take calvin as less of a threat if he was lined up inside?

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a number 1 receiver is who the teams passing offense runs through.

with the spread coming to the NFL its all changed. Look at how Texas Tech was, Welker had a 100+ catches and was the go to guy in the slot. Then Crabtree comes in after Welker was gone and puts up 100+ catches on the outside. Danny Amendola also put up 100+ catches, and while he was a slot receiver, he didn't line up in the same spot as Welker. Leach, and now Holgerson like to keep receivers lined up in one spot consistently, which is why he can install the offense in 3 days, of course with modifications later on.

Personally, I think we might see more slot receivers being the go to guys. Many corners struggle playing on the inside, they are used to using the sideline as help. Tavon Austin might be the next.
this. the spread changes everything. your slot guy can be a your go to guy, especially since covering the slot is so so so much harder than covering the boundary. slot guys just dont get the respect though, idk why.
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A guy who draws the safety on his side on every play. When you line him up, he gets the sky safety pull his way every play. When he lines up slot, or when you motion him slot, or motion him to the opposite side of the field, he draws that double and dictates coverage.

A true #1 WR will influence coverage, and what you can do to manipulate coverage.

That's how I view them. Which is why a true #1 in my eyes has to be a deep threat. If he can't stretch the field, he can't be a #1 to me.
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It's hard to define a "true #1".

Because you could mean 2 things: A prototype (Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson, Jerry Rice, etc) or what most teams have to settle for as a #1 WR.

Is Steve Smith a #1? How about Vincent Jackson? Danny Amendola?

To me, the reality is that the #1 WR is the guy that the defensive coordinator bases the concepts of attacking the offense around stopping. If you played the Patriots in 2012, that was Wes Welker, even though some may not consider him #1 WR material - the reality is he was the #1.

If you mean a prototype: well, that's the guy that can tell you what he's going to do and you can't stop it. (See Moss, Randy).
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A true #1 WR can dominate 1 on 1 coverage...thats my only criteria. Whether he does it through deep speed, quickness, strength and power, or technique....it doesn't matter. If you leave him 1 on 1 he will win most of the time.
The only thing I can add to this is that he must play on the outside and not be a slot receiver if you are talking about what NFLers call a #1. And he must be able to do it on deep passes otherwise he is just a #2.
And being the best on your team means nothing except that they just may not have a #1, if they don't have the above abilities.
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Smith and VJax: Yes, Amendola: No.

The first two draw safety help over the top.

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IMO, "#1 receiver" and "Split End" (i.e. X receiver) are synonyms.

The #1 WR is the guy who is big enough and fast enough to scare defensive coordinators and adjust their coverages. As a result the #1 receiver is generally the guy who has the #1 CB lined up against him.

It has absolutely nothing to do with who catches the most passes.
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why cant a slot reciever be a number 1 guy? would you take calvin as less of a threat if he was lined up inside?
I feel like it'd be wasting his talents if they mainly put him in the slot. That's pretty much my point. So many UDFA thrive in the slot. CJ doesn't need the slot. That, IMO, makes him a true #1 WR.
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