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Old 04-11-2013, 12:49 PM    (permalink
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I agree.

I still prefer to get our LB/Pass Rush Specialist @ #8.

I think Jordan,Jones, or Mingo can all be special players in the NFL. My guy is Jones out of the 3.
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I agree. I would love Jones at #8
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I agree.

I still prefer to get our LB/Pass Rush Specialist @ #8.

I think Jordan,Jones, or Mingo can all be special players in the NFL. My guy is Jones out of the 3.
I have to disagree, Jordan and Mingo suit a 3-4 far better than a 4-3 defense and Jones I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. He cannot play OLB in a 4-3 defense, 3-4 maybe but never in a 4-3 where his lack of speed would be a disaster whenever he has to cover a RB in a man to man situation or even chase down a RB going wide on a running play.
His 4.90 40 equates to 12 feet of seperation on any medium to deep pattern which would be a disaster waiting to happen.
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I dont think Pears is a bad tackle, I do think he is a better tackle in a spread type of system, and a better pass blocker than run blocker. I am not sure how much of a fit he will bw in the new system. Maybe he is just fine.
In the first line, the LG could be another later pick, or someone off the roster like Chris Scott or Keith Williams, both of whom fit the bigger drive blocker LG type that the Saints offense had in Nicks, keeping Glenn at RT. Pears is likely released in this situation with Hairison and Sanders being swing tackles. Pears could even be retained with one of the other two being released or Sanders put on the practice squad (if possible).
The second line I like alot as well, I think Glenn could be dominate LG, and Pears would be a servicable RT, either way it presents options which I love, and would allow the team enhance the run game, which will have to be a strength, as it already is.
Personnally this is why I like this situation, either way the offensive line becomes a strength which just adds onto the strength of our backs and it provides options. The value is nice too :)
Could you explain the new system a bit? I'm assuming it's more of a Power-O with a focus on the running game?
If so, I would love to upgrade our line, because we could have one of the best running games in the league if we do. However, I'm skeptical that we'll take a lineman in the first. Here's why:

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Buddy Nix: If you hadn't got one, yea. I think they are, especially left tackles. Normally that guy is by himself on an island and I consider them a playmaker. I think it's kind of like a long snapper, they really get important if you hadn't got one.

On the last tackle he's drafted in the top 10:
Buddy Nix: Not in the top 10. We took him (Marcus McNeill) in the second round so I don't guess we have, at least I can't think of one.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, all of Buddy's 1st round draft picks while here have visited OBD. I don't believe that any Olinemen have been to OBD. That seems quite telling to me that the FO and coaching staff feel that we have our next LG already on the roster somewhere and just need to add depth (potentially) later in the draft.
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Could you explain the new system a bit? I'm assuming it's more of a Power-O with a focus on the running game?
If so, I would love to upgrade our line, because we could have one of the best running games in the league if we do. However, I'm skeptical that we'll take a lineman in the first. Here's why:



Also, if I'm not mistaken, all of Buddy's 1st round draft picks while here have visited OBD. I don't believe that any Olinemen have been to OBD. That seems quite telling to me that the FO and coaching staff feel that we have our next LG already on the roster somewhere and just need to add depth (potentially) later in the draft.
In the 2 mocks I attended and took part in, the 3 LT prospects never got by the #5 pick. In my last Forum Mock which is going on right now, I traded up and secured Lane Johnson for Buffalo, something Ralph Wilson would likely never approve of and in real life, Nix is forced to live by Wilson's rules, namely spend as little money as possible.

However, there is such a demand for the services of LT's in this year's draft, that should Buffalo want to move up for one of them, they might have to appear disinterested so the competition won't go after them. They wouldn't want to scare teams into trading up past Buffalo so it is maybe better to ignore them as camouflage for their real intentions.
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So far after 2 rounds, I've picked:
Lane Johnson LT, Oklahoma
Justin Hunter WR, Tennessee

I also signed FA's Rolando McClain MLB from Oakland
and Brandon Moore OG from the Jets.
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I would love Justin Hunter, personally. There are a lot of spots that need talent, but I am a big fan.
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Honestly, that would be a very solid draft up to that point. Barrett jones would be my next pick for sure. Unless there is a QB there that we can't pass on.
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But if our predraft visits are forecasting what is to come, Oline will not be a priority.
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I have this strange gut feeling that we will draft Kenny vaccaro at #8 if we can't trade back.
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You and Poz. And he called Gilmore to the bills last year before it was popular to do so.

Also the fact that management had a hand full of safeties come through OBD, Vaccaro included, doesn't hurt the idea that this could be true.
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And he is one of the few players worthy of a mid-early first round grade that has 2-3 years experience as a starter against quality competition (which is clearly something buddy nix values) that had a pre draft visit to OBD. If he put on a couple pounds to play a bit more of an enforcer role he would compliment Byrd nicely.
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Best case we can trade back, collect an extra pick in round 2-3 and still grab vaccaro, johnathan cooper or even tyler eifert
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Honestly, that would be a very solid draft up to that point. Barrett jones would be my next pick for sure. Unless there is a QB there that we can't pass on.
I didn't have a 3rd round pick, traded to move up for Johnson.

In round 4, I took Mike Glennon, not my first choice at QB or even my second, but he has the arm strength to play in our stadium when it is windy and he can sit on the bench and learn for a year or two before starting. Best of all, round 4 was a pretty cheap price to pay for him.

I had no interest in Barrett Jones, he'll be an OC at the next level and we are set there for years to come.
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Could you explain the new system a bit? I'm assuming it's more of a Power-O with a focus on the running game?
If so, I would love to upgrade our line, because we could have one of the best running games in the league if we do. However, I'm skeptical that we'll take a lineman in the first. Here's why:
Also, if I'm not mistaken, all of Buddy's 1st round draft picks while here have visited OBD. I don't believe that any Olinemen have been to OBD. That seems quite telling to me
From what I have read, it looks like a west coast style passing attack (Matt Barkley or Ryan Nassib anyone), with an emphasis on the run game, watching Syracuse games, lots of power style runs. Marrone clearly believes in running the ball and emphasizes the running game. Basically its the Saints offense (Marrone was the coordinator from 06-08(?)), using FB's and TE's as role players, but uses them. Having Spiller makes me think maybe they will want a G who can pull (Cooper?) to lead block, but that is my opinion of an adaption they may consider or make. Marrone was very flexable at Syracuse, adapting his style and incorperating some zone read concepts, he also implemented a no huddle attack, and I would expect to see lots of that in the Bills offense. Marrone embraises change and adapts. They take their shots down the field, but mostly look to get the ball out quickly, Nassib's (dont be surprised if he is their first pick, or the target of a trade up in the first) decision making (similarly to Drew Brees IMO) was largely responsible for the success of the offense, supposedly they call alot of plays at the line, and have options within the play calling (audibles) and within the plays (requiring the ability to read defenses). Route running is a vital aspect of the offense from what I saw. Dave Rhame who writes for the Post-Standard in Syracuse had a excellent article which I have posted on this site before and can not find now explaining it. Here are two I found with a quick search. If I can find the other I will post it.


http://blogs.buffalonews.com/press-c...iscipline.html
http://dailyorange.com/2012/11/fast-...uddle-offense/

As for the Oline thing... I agree and am skeptical of it as well based on the same reasons you are. Could it be a an "smoke screen" situation? "We are not interested... Unless one drops to us and we dont want the league to know." of course, but I agree Nix's history is pretty straight forward, and history says no olineman at 8 unfortunately. I think that would be just stupid myself not to consider. I have said before, I would not be surprised if they think their LG is already on the roster, Scott and Williams fit the Carl Nicks mold. Snow is on the roster and could be the man at G as well. They could very well believe the oline is fine... I think they have a chance to make the oline special, but I also could see them thinking the oline is fine...

I hope this helped ;)
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I guess the second one was it... If not, I am out of time :(
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Face it, our whole season rests on Kolb's shoulders and whether or not he can be a starting NFL QB. All the schemes in the world won't make a bit of difference if Kolb doesn't come through plus stay healthy.

Our offense, if I was a betting man, will be a WCO, because I just don't think Kolb has the arm strength for any other system. So, your right, quick passes mixed with a strong running game.
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http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=9179013

So Aaron Williams is moving to safety. Not a big surprise there. However, where does this now put a cornerback on our list of needs? Hopefully we look to fill this space via free agency. We have so much youth in our secondary a stalwart veteran would be nice. Charles Woodson, perhaps? Thoughts?
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I like Aaron Williams moving to safety because you can clearly see he is overmatched at CB at all times. We have to see if we can find some value out of him and hopefully he can be a steady safety if we keep him there officially now.

I still have hopes for Searcy this season playing along side Byrd.
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Listening to the Nix, Whaley and Co. presser, a couple thoughts.
1 - Whaley mentioned anticipitory throws (at least twice, including a Joe Montana reference), something I think (and have thought) they are really valuing at the position, Barkley or Nassib will be on the Bills next year is a thought that just wont stop spinning in my head. They have a plan of action, wether it be at 8, 41, or moving up from 41, Barkley (could have been #1 last year, according to Nix) or Nassib with one of the top two picks is a virtual certainty IMO.
1a - I am almost sold that they go QB at 8 if the top couple positional guys are gone.
2 - The Bills are not moving up from 8. Maybe not from 41, but it is a possibility. IMO they will trade back from 8 if anything (re: the 8th pick), or up from 41.
3 - They are not taking a Guard at 8, 6 on the roster, and they like them, losing Levitre was not heartbreaking to them at all. They like Warmack and Cooper and will talk about it, but not pull the trigger.
4 - They have done their home work on the tackles, L. Johnson was talked about positively at length. He is a possibility at 8. Watch the body language.
5 - They want tough, football players, measurables are not going to be the end all, not even close.
6 - This is the deepest safety class Nix has seen in 10 years, depth through all rounds, even with Williams moving its a late round option. Scratch Vaccaro at 8, unless they move Byrd, who they are trying to extend, #pray.

I cant wait to see if this was all a smoke screen, but I would not be surprised if Barkley or Nassib was the pick at 8.
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I like Aaron Williams moving to safety because you can clearly see he is overmatched at CB at all times. We have to see if we can find some value out of him and hopefully he can be a steady safety if we keep him there officially now.

I still have hopes for Searcy this season playing along side Byrd.
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So Aaron Williams is moving to safety. Not a big surprise there. However, where does this now put a cornerback on our list of needs? Hopefully we look to fill this space via free agency. We have so much youth in our secondary a stalwart veteran would be nice. Charles Woodson, perhaps? Thoughts?
I like the move alot, in fact "about time" was my first thought when I heard about it. Good in run support, and while his ability to cover receivers was questionable at times (Ill buy overmatched T), his ability to cover TE's should be a asset. I like it alot. I like him over Searcy personally, although I do like Searcy as an asset, especially in the Scott role in Nickel.
I think they take a corner in the middle rounds unless there is a value in the 2nd they can not pass on, just my opinion but I think McLovin has been dumped on a bit much, and they are going to give him the season to prove himself and they are looking to add a nickel/dime type to compete with Brooks. A FA would certainly help depth, and allow the draft to fill other needs.
I personally would love to add a Woodson, I just dont see it happening, at the tail end of his career I think he wants to go to a proven team with a "perceived" chance of winning it all.
I do think the Vaccaro at 8 chances are razor thin right now though. Searcy, Williams and Byrd....

p.s. This Williams moving to SS and making Vaccaro unlikely at 8 just F'ed up my whole mock I was just about to put out... #FUBAR
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Listening to the Nix, Whaley and Co. presser, a couple thoughts.
1 - Whaley mentioned anticipitory throws (at least twice, including a Joe Montana reference), something I think (and have thought) they are really valuing at the position, Barkley or Nassib will be on the Bills next year is a thought that just wont stop spinning in my head. They have a plan of action, wether it be at 8, 41, or moving up from 41, Barkley (could have been #1 last year, according to Nix) or Nassib with one of the top two picks is a virtual certainty IMO.
1a - I am almost sold that they go QB at 8 if the top couple positional guys are gone.
2 - The Bills are not moving up from 8. Maybe not from 41, but it is a possibility. IMO they will trade back from 8 if anything (re: the 8th pick), or up from 41.
3 - They are not taking a Guard at 8, 6 on the roster, and they like them, losing Levitre was not heartbreaking to them at all. They like Warmack and Cooper and will talk about it, but not pull the trigger.
4 - They have done their home work on the tackles, L. Johnson was talked about positively at length. He is a possibility at 8. Watch the body language.
5 - They want tough, football players, measurables are not going to be the end all, not even close.
6 - This is the deepest safety class Nix has seen in 10 years, depth through all rounds, even with Williams moving its a late round option. Scratch Vaccaro at 8, unless they move Byrd, who they are trying to extend, #pray.

I cant wait to see if this was all a smoke screen, but I would not be surprised if Barkley or Nassib was the pick at 8.
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IMO, they aren't going to draft a QB at #8, they are looking for a developmental QB at 41. They aren't looking for a starter, they are happy going into the season with Kolb and he will be our starter.

Of all the QB's, I think they like Barkley the best because he suits a WCO to a tee, but he could go late round 1 or very early round 2 and I don't believe they have the flexibility from Wilson to trade up in the draft, since it would cost Wilson more money which he doesn't like to spend. Our team is simply a prisoner of Wilson's pocket book and that isn't going to change as long as he owns the team.

It isn't all Wilson's fault, the revenue for Buffalo merchandise probably puts big city teams 100 million dollars ahead of us and Wilson simply doesn't have the income to make up that huge revenue difference. Owners of small market teams are always called cheap but that just hides the facts about overall revenues of each team, the NFL likes to promote the idea that the league is revenue equal and each team competes on an equal footing, but that is far from the truth, which goes a long way in explaining Buffalo ineptitude ever since FA came into being. Teams like Buffalo are always going to be 20 to 30 million dollars under the cap while teams like Dallas or New York will always be able to spend to the cap limit.

Yes, small market teams can actually compete but it takes solid ownership and a top of the league management team to make it work, something the Pittsburgh's and Green Bay's posses. Our owner hasn't proven himself to be among that group and being in his 90's, isn't likely to improve at this stage, so we are in a holding pattern until a new owner comes on the scene. Hopefully, it comes soon.
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Yes, Wilson hates paying the salaries of extra first round picks, that is why the team traded back into the first for Losman and McCargo. Aside from the fact that we stayed put and drafted Woods in the later first as well...

If we do not trade back into the first it is because we do not have the draft picks to do so, not because Wilson won't pay players. Six picks is not enough. If anything we should look to trade down once, maybe even twice, to accumulate picks this year, and hopefully next year as well.

Believe it or not revenue sharing is there.

Merchandise sales do not affect revenue as much as would think. Merchandise helps to promote brand, which in turn could help revenue. However, sponsorships do affect revenue a lot. Here, teams do not have to share revenue. And yes, unfortunately the Bills, here, can not keep up with the likes of Dallas or New England.

Though this does not mean that we stay $20 to $30m under the cap. Find me a year in which we have done that? We are at $!6m right now and looking to sign Byrd to a long term deal. Besides, financial flexibility is a good thing.

Lastly, your idea about small market teams is way off base. Bills have a small market, not because of the area that they are in but because they do not win. Green Bay and Pittsburgh's markets extend far outside of their cities to national level. Thus they are not small market teams. They have fans because they have history and an identity, aside from the fact that they are winners. Yes they are well run, hence their winning teams. Though even if they go into transition and have some down years their history as winning franchises will carry them. As far as identity Green Bay will always be known for their great quarterback and Pittsburgh commands respect because, for whatever reason, their defense is ALWAYS good. People like these things.

Buffalo can be this to, they just need to get through the rut that they are in. It sucks that we have to start anew again, but hey, maybe this is the coaching staff to get this done. You never know. GO BILLS!!
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What did you guys think of Nix's comments the other afternoon on "2-3 Franchise QB's in this draft"??


I'm thinking Barkley is #1 on their board for QBs.
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If it does come down to Barkley or Nassib, I do like the fact that Barkley was able to go into USC and, from day one, run the show. Four years of starting at a premier school is impressive.

I like him. However, I like him at 16 a lot more. Do you hear that St Louis? You know you guys want Tavon Austin! Reel them in, Buddy!
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