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Old 04-19-2013, 10:03 PM    (permalink
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What about prime Sabonis?
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What about prime Sabonis?
Was a beast in Europe, unfortunate that he waited so long to come over so we'll never know.

Tony Parker is probably the second best European NBA player ever. Pau has an argument too.

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He's not better than Dirk.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:10 PM    (permalink
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:13 PM    (permalink
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:18 PM    (permalink
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He was a nice sharpshooter, but he didn't rebound at all, was a meh passer and didn't perform as well as he should have. Dirk is just much better and more impactful. Dirk is probably the most influential player of the naughts.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:19 PM    (permalink
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Where's the argument for Petrovic.... his p36 stats? He's a career 15ppg guy. Dirk has played 14 years in the NBA at 22ppg/8rpg, 11 AS games, 4x All NBA, 5x 2nd team All NBA, 3x 3rd team All NBA, with a ring and a finals MVP. The only one even close to those kind of stats is Tony Parker and Gasol.
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nepg be trollin.
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Sabonis would've been.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:22 PM    (permalink
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I still think his knees would have imploded before he had the type of long term impact Dirk has had. Dirk isn't just the best Euro ever, he's one of the best NBA players of all time.
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I still think his knees would have imploded before he had the type of long term impact Dirk has had. Dirk isn't just the best Euro ever, he's one of the best NBA players of all time.
It probably would've been a classic better peak vs. longevity debate.
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It probably would've been a classic better peak vs. longevity debate.
Right, but not only would Dirk have the longevity argument, his peak was pretty outstanding. 25/9 with the rare 50/40/90 split is ridiculous and he almost did it twice, four years apart. His ring and finals mvp sealed the deal.
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Sabonis was a damn good player in his 30s with no knees. If he had been in the NBA when he was in his 20s, he would have been...ummm...I need a good comparison. A smarter and much better version of Sheed?
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I think you've probably seen more of him in Europe and I'm mostly operating on other people's accounts of him over there but a later-career version of Webber?
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I'd say Marc Gasol, tbh.
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I'd say Marc Gasol, tbh.
Maybe if he was more athletic, bigger and could shoot 3's.
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He was just coming into his own when he was killed in the car crash so we will never know. He definitely had the talent though, and his country men believe he would have been a superstar for years.

I remember in the Vlade 30-30 on him and Petro - they showed the part where he went right at Jordan and was dropping buckets on him.
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I think you've probably seen more of him in Europe and I'm mostly operating on other people's accounts of him over there but a later-career version of Webber?
Ehhhhh. I still think mine is a bit more appropriate, because of Sheed's range (that he abused and ruined) as well as his defensive prowess. Sheed was never great because of how stupid he was, but Sabonis would have been more of a banger inside.
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Maybe if he was more athletic, bigger and could shoot 3's.
I meant to say Marc Gasol with range. We're discussing late career Sabonis here. Sabonis could barely move, their size is about the same.
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I meant to say Marc Gasol with range. We're discussing late career Sabonis here. Sabonis could barely move, their size is about the same.
Sabonis was quicker than you seem to think, and he had NO knees in the NBA.
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Vlade Divac is #2 and is much taller than Tony Parker.
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I meant to say Marc Gasol with range. We're discussing late career Sabonis here. Sabonis could barely move, their size is about the same.
I thought we were saying prime, apologies. But their size isn't really comprable as Sabonis was significantly thicker and that's overlooking the 2 inch difference.
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I thought we were talking prime too. If we're talking when he was in the NBA he was Vlade Divac.
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NBA wise, Pau is the second best Euro. Overall, it's probably Sabonis or Euro League GOAT Trajon Langdon.
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What makes you give Pau the clear edge over Parker?
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