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Old 04-21-2013, 04:09 PM    (permalink
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Sooo everyone saying how this was a bad deal for the Bucs, where you at now:

"Bucs signed CB Darrelle Revis to a new six-year contract that makes him the highest paid defensive back in NFL history, but includes ZERO guaranteed money."

No guaranteed money and the additional compensation? A 2014 conditional 4th rounder. Wow. Not so sure this was a particularly good deal for the Jets now I would've loved to have extended his contract if it was 0 guaranteed money.
Thank Woody Johnson. And you're GM pretty much screwed up his first big move. Why? Revis is 10X the player Percy Harvin is and the Vikings got better compensation from Seattle who overpaid for a slot WR that consistently cannot stay healthy.

Bucs gave up a 1 and 4 for the best CB and maybe defensive player in football.
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What part of smoke screen don't you understand/
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Thank Woody Johnson. And you're GM pretty much screwed up his first big move. Why? Revis is 10X the player Percy Harvin is and the Vikings got better compensation from Seattle who overpaid for a slot WR that consistently cannot stay healthy.

Bucs gave up a 1 and 4 for the best CB and maybe defensive player in football.
That doesn't make any sense. You're right it's Woody's fault. So how did the GM screw up his first move? Idzik was forced to trade Revis. It wasn't his call.

I think he did OK without much leverage. A premium pick and a future 3rd.
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I'd have to argue that the Jets came off better in this trade. Revis is going to be a 28 year old CB coming off a major knee injury. The Jets have Cromartie who is very solid and with 2 1st rounders have alot more leverage in this draft if they have someone in particular targeted. This drafted has a nice number of 2nd round CBs they can draft as well.

If the Bucs were only one player away from being serious contenders I would say it was a good trade for them but they are still lacking a franchise QB. If/when they make it back to being a solid team capable of going far into the playoffs Revis will be 30+ years old. Perhaps they will target a QB with their 2nd rounder.
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I've seen PFT and a couple of other people say that they got less than what the Vikings got for Harvin.

INCORRECT.

It's NO. 13 (as opposed to 23) and the 2014 pick is a 3rd if Revis is on their roster next year (so it's 99% a 3rd).

You can't trade up from 23 to 13 with a 7th, therefore...

The Jets got more Revis than the Vikings got for Harvin.
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Thank Woody Johnson. And you're GM pretty much screwed up his first big move. Why? Revis is 10X the player Percy Harvin is and the Vikings got better compensation from Seattle who overpaid for a slot WR that consistently cannot stay healthy.

Bucs gave up a 1 and 4 for the best CB and maybe defensive player in football.
The Jets actually got better compensation per the value chart than the Vikings. Also had no leverage in the deal since they had no control over Revis after this season, only had one team interested, and Revis is coming off a torn ACL. That 4 is going to be a 3 too, otherwise the Bucs gave up the 1 for nothing.

It's a good deal for the Bucs, but Idzik did about as well as he could have under the circumstances.

And it's your, not you're.
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In the end, its a good deal for both teams. The Jets get a 2 high picks for a guy that was going to leave them anyways after this season and didn't want to be there. The Bucs get arguably the best player in the NFL at an area of huge weakness. This now allows the Jets flexibility to take Mingo at 9 and then to take a playmaker at 13 whether its Austin, Eifert or a QB.

The one thing that stands to me was the fact that the Jets couldn't work out a deal with him this whole time and there was obviously bad blood between the two parties. The contract that he signed with the Bucs just smells of Revis sticking it to the Jets on that end. He gave a huge deal to the Bucs that they can get out of at any minute. Good deal for both teams but I'd give the edge to the Bucs considering everything.
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Thank Woody Johnson. And you're GM pretty much screwed up his first big move. Why? Revis is 10X the player Percy Harvin is and the Vikings got better compensation from Seattle who overpaid for a slot WR that consistently cannot stay healthy.

Bucs gave up a 1 and 4 for the best CB and maybe defensive player in football.
How'd he screw up? The Jets got a higher 1st round pick than MIN did and all MIN got back was a 7th. You figure both will get a 3rd next year and I think SEA finishes with a better record than TB.

This deal can't be judged upon so soon...what's to say Idzik doesn't trade down from 13 and get more picks that will help us out because of this Revis trade.
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I'm still surprised they were able to pull the #13 pick.

I knew they would get 1st but I thought for sure it would be in 2014 with Tampa and Schiano still wanting to get as many of "their players" in this draft again to keep building.

Making him the highest paid DB as well is risky no matter who it is coming off ACL surgery. Tampa put a lot on the line here.
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Thank Woody Johnson. And you're GM pretty much screwed up his first big move. Why? Revis is 10X the player Percy Harvin is and the Vikings got better compensation from Seattle who overpaid for a slot WR that consistently cannot stay healthy.

Bucs gave up a 1 and 4 for the best CB and maybe defensive player in football.
Oh boy. You do know the 13th selection is better than the 23rd right? And how did Izdik screw up? He got the 1st round pick for a guy our owner didn't want to pay. If anyone screwed up its Woody Johnson, Izdik did fine.
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On the bright side, this ups our chances at nabbing Lotulelei.
Run at the Bucs, why not? Newton and their RB duo can still gash them on the ground.
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I think the Jets win this one. They got a 1st and a 3rd for a really great player, but also dumped a huge headache.
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I'm in the camp that both teams made off well in this deal. Non-guaranteed contract means Tampa really has nothing major to lose, and could get a massive improvement if Revis plays to 70% of his level. The Jets get #13, which could either be 2 solid talents or (bold prediction) a trade up to the top 5 to leapfrog someone for someone major.
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I'm in the camp that both teams made off well in this deal. Non-guaranteed contract means Tampa really has nothing major to lose, and could get a massive improvement if Revis plays to 70% of his level. The Jets get #13, which could either be 2 solid talents or (bold prediction) a trade up to the top 5 to leapfrog someone for someone major.
Really don't see why or who the Jets would trade up for. The only contenders to move up into the top 5 are teams looking for a LT. There's no big separation between the OLBs or QBs in the top 5 that will be available when they pick, so why give up picks the Jets so desperately need? Izdik is trying to move back, not up. This isn't the Tannenbaum Jets here.
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I don't see how this isn't a good deal for the Bucs assuming the ridiculous cap number that comes with zero bonuses/guaranteed money won't cripple their team moving forward. Based off how we've seen players respond to torn ACL's in the last two or three years from Welker to AD to Charles to even Tank Carradine this year, there's no reason to believe he shouldn't be able to return to the level he used to play at and a healthy Revis is a top 2 defensive player in football.
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I don't know how anyone lost here. Win win imho, nothing more nothing less. Seems pretty standard honestly.
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I don't know how anyone lost here. Win win imho, nothing more nothing less. Seems pretty standard honestly.
pretty much this.
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I don't really understand the hate on either side of this trade. The Jets offload a player who was going to walk at the end of the season and get decent compensation, and the Bucs get a franchise quality player to help their 32nd ranked pass D.
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Really don't see why or who the Jets would trade up for. The only contenders to move up into the top 5 are teams looking for a LT. There's no big separation between the OLBs or QBs in the top 5 that will be available when they pick, so why give up picks the Jets so desperately need? Izdik is trying to move back, not up. This isn't the Tannenbaum Jets here.
The 49ers would be a great partner for #13 if there's somebody there they really like when the Jets go on the clock. San Francisco won't be able to fit all their 2013 draft picks onto the roster and have picks #31 and #34, while the Jets need all the draft picks they can get as they start the rebuilding process.

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#13 - 1,150

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The trade fits and would give the Jets four picks in the Top 39 (9, 31, 34, 39). Or they could move one of those 2nd rd picks for another 1st rounder in 2014. That would give the Jets plenty of ammo for a more top-heavy draft next year.
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I don't see how anyone can say it was a win for the Jets, they lost the best defensive player in the NFL, a real impact player and no amount of draft picks will make up for that loss. Yes, they did the best they could but it is hardly a win, it is a loss no matter how you spin it.
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Hell no the 49ers aren't moving up to 13 that is too far of a jump .
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I don't see how anyone can say it was a win for the Jets, they lost the best defensive player in the NFL, a real impact player and no amount of draft picks will make up for that loss. Yes, they did the best they could but it is hardly a win, it is a loss no matter how you spin it.
Did you really think the Jets were going to do anything of significance in the next 3 years? If so, then yes its a loss. We had no shot of going to the playoffs though, so if either pick turns out to be good 4-5 years from now when the AFC East is winnable and our team isn't complete garbage, it's an absolute win.
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Run at the Bucs, why not? Newton and their RB duo can still gash them on the ground.
How did that work out for them last year.?
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