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Old 04-21-2013, 11:23 PM    (permalink
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Honestly, at this point I'll be a little bit surprised if Nassib doesn't go at 8.
Good night that would be an awful pick.
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A whole lot of second round QBs in this draft. Geno might be the only guy that is a legit 1st rounder in my eyes.
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Honestly, at this point I'll be a little bit surprised if Nassib doesn't go at 8.
I'm starting to feel the same way.

First there was the article with the Bills GM saying, "I've said this from the start, that two or three of these guys will be franchise quarterbacks. I believe that." It sounds to me like he is covering his bases for the backlash that could come with a Nassib pick.

Here's the article for anyone that hasn't see it: http://blogs.buffalonews.com/press-c...b-at-no-8.html

And slowly as the draft comes closer more rumors are leaking. There was also this one:

"According to ESPN's Chris Mortensen, there is "growing belief" around the NFL that the Bills will select Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib with the No. 8 overall pick if they can't trade down"
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Oh god....just ....no...please....
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Oh god....just ....no...please....
Lol I feel your pain. I hate mocks that have the Jets taking Nassib at 39, but 8th?? Wow. That'd be a disaster.
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Lol I feel your pain. I hate mocks that have the Jets taking Nassib at 39, but 8th?? Wow. That'd be a disaster.
Just disgusting if we take him at 8. I don't give a **** what they say about being Marrone's protégé and being familiar with him, nothing about his game says he is a top 10 "Franchise" QB. He doesn't even have a strong arm and that is noted quite a bit. What the hell is he going to do in Buffalo in December??

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After his pro day, Tank Carradine is going in the Top 15 overall.
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Nassib doesn't have a weak arm either. He has a better arm than Andy Dalton. I think he can settle in somewhere between Dalton and Ryan personally. He's accurate, smart, reasonably athletic, experienced in a pro style and uh, he's used to playing in NY winters. Teams underrated factors like a QBs character, ability to process information and understand the game
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After his pro day, Tank Carradine is going in the Top 15 overall.
Definitely ahead of Werner now IMO. I could see a team like the Jets,Saints or Steelers scooping him up for sure.
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Just disgusting if we take him at 8. I don't give a **** what they say about being Marrone's protégé and being familiar with him, nothing about his game says he is a top 10 "Franchise" QB. He doesn't even have a strong arm and that is noted quite a bit. What the hell is he going to do in Buffalo in December??



Loud weeping.
for everyone saying geno played bad in the snow/wind in the pinstripe bowl vs 'cuse, nassib was pretty awful (vs a horrendous pass defense)

11/23 48% 130 yds 2 td 1 int

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Definitely ahead of Werner now IMO. I could see a team like the Jets,Saints or Steelers scooping him up for sure.
I could see Caradine rising but not sure the knock on Werner. At his pro day i thought he showed some ability to play a couple of differant positions and also showed great hands.

Seattle had big Richmond S Cooper Taylor in for a visit. Heard he has visited Baltimore, New York and is scheduled to meet with the Jags. Might have to get him earlier than expected or he might be gone.
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i dont get the whole carradine thing. he was the third best pass rusher on his own college team. if the saints pick him in the first id be pissed
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i dont get the whole carradine thing. he was the third best pass rusher on his own college team. if the saints pick him in the first id be pissed
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for everyone saying geno played bad in the snow/wind in the pinstripe bowl vs 'cuse, nassib was pretty awful (vs a horrendous pass defense)

11/23 48% 130 yds 2 td 1 int

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So many of Nassib's passes were dropped in the pinstripe bowl. By my count there were 4 or 5 drops in the first half alone.
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You really like the "third best on his own team" thing don't you? Haha.
just happened to come up twice in short succession but when the coaching staff of fsu wants to play werner and jenkins who are a bunch of draft analysts to doubt that.
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So did you go any deeper into analyzing who the best pass rusher is beyond counting sacks?
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So did you go any deeper into analyzing who the best pass rusher is beyond counting sacks?
If they don't produce in college they rarely produce in the pros.

90% of the Top-50 sack leaders in NFL history had 17 or more sacks in college.

60% of the Top-50 sack leaders in NFL history had 28 or more sacks in college.
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If they don't produce in college they rarely produce in the pros.

90% of the Top-50 sack leaders in NFL history had 17 or more sacks in college.

60% of the Top-50 sack leaders in NFL history had 28 or more sacks in college.
Carradine had well over 28 sacks in college.
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If they don't produce in college they rarely produce in the pros.

90% of the Top-50 sack leaders in NFL history had 17 or more sacks in college.

60% of the Top-50 sack leaders in NFL history had 28 or more sacks in college.
less and less true in recent years with Watt,Jones and JPP. Also I notice you changed your stat from 30 to 28.
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I could see Caradine rising but not sure the knock on Werner. At his pro day i thought he showed some ability to play a couple of differant positions and also showed great hands.

Seattle had big Richmond S Cooper Taylor in for a visit. Heard he has visited Baltimore, New York and is scheduled to meet with the Jags. Might have to get him earlier than expected or he might be gone.
but he didn't show the closing speed or explosion to be a double digit sack guy IMO.
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Supposedly a reliable source said 100% Ansah is the pick at 2.
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Supposedly a reliable source said 100% Ansah is the pick at 2.
I don't buy that for one second.
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So many of Nassib's passes were dropped in the pinstripe bowl. By my count there were 4 or 5 drops in the first half alone.
What i came away with from that game was Geno Smith might like the warmer weather better and Nassib looked more at home in that Buffalo style climate.
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Carradine had well over 28 sacks in college.
11 this year
5.5 last year

but i guess hell easily make it if you count juco sacks in those 2 years
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