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Default Final 2013 Draft Rankings (Positional & Top 32)

Quarterbacks

1. Tyler Wilson : ARKANSAS
2. Geno Smith : WEST VIRGINIA
3. Matt Barkley : USC
4. Matt Scott :: ARIZONA
5. EJ Manuel : FLORIDA STATE
6. Landry Jones : OKLAHOMA
7. Ryan Nassib : SYRACUSE
8. Mike Glennon : NORTH CAROLINA STATE
9. Tyler Bray :: TENNESSEE
10. Ryan Griffin :: TULANE
11. Colby Cameron :: LOUISIANA TECH
12. Sean Renfree :: DUKE
13. Zac Dysert : MIAMI(OH)
14. Jordan Rodgers :: VANDERBILT
15. Brad Sorenson : SOUTHERN UTAH

Running Backs

1. Johnathan Franklin : UCLA
2. Marcus Lattimore :: SOUTH CAROLINA
3. Montee Ball : WISCONSIN
4. Giovani Bernard : NORTH CAROLINA
5. Eddie Lacy : ALABAMA
6. Le’Veon Bell :: MICHIGAN STATE
7. Mike Gillislee :: FLORIDA
8. Stephan Taylor : STANFORD
9. Christine Michael :: TEXAS A&M
10. Andre Ellington : CLEMSON
11. Joseph Randle :: OKLAHOMA STATE
12. Kenjon Barner : OREGON
13. Zac Stacy :: VANDERBILT
14. Knile Davis :: ARKANSAS
15. Kerwynn Williams :: UTAH STATE
16. Dennis Johnson : ARKANSAS
17. Jawan Jamison : RUTGERS
18. Latavius Murray : CENTRAL FLORIDA
19. Cierre Wood : NOTRE DAME
20. Spencer Ware : LOUISIANA STATE

Fullbacks

1. Kyle Juszczyk : HARVARD
2. Lonnie Pryor : FLORIDA STATE
3. Zach Line : SOUTHERN METHODIST
4. Tommy Bohanon : WAKE FOREST

Wide Receivers

1. Tavon Austin : WEST VIRGINIA
2. DeAndre Hopkins :: CLEMSON
3. Quinton Patton :: LOUISIANA TECH
4. Justin Hunter :: TENNESSEE
5. Robert Woods :: USC
6. Cordarrelle Patterson :: TENNESSEE
7. Stedman Bailey :: WEST VIRGINIA
8. Markus Wheaton :: OREGON STATE
9. Keenan Allen :: CALIFORNIA
10. Ryan Swope :: TEXAS A&M
11. Marquise Goodwin :: TEXAS
12. Da’Rick Rogers :: TENNESSEE TECH
13. Tavarres King :: GEORGIA
14. Terrance Williams : BAYLOR
15. Kenny Stills :: OKLAHOMA
16. Josh Boyce : TCU
17. Chris Harper : KANSAS STATE
18. Conner Vernon : DUKE
19. Eric Rogers : CAL LUTHERAN
20. Marquess Wilson : WASHINGTON STATE

Tight Ends

1. Zach Ertz :: STANFORD
2. Tyler Eifert :: NOTRE DAME
3. Gavin Escobar :: SAN DIEGO STATE
4. Vance McDonald :: RICE
5. Travis Kelce :: CINCINNATI
6. Jordan Reed :: FLORIDA
7. Dion Sims :: MICHIGAN STATE
8. Chris Gragg : ARKANSAS
9. Nick Kasa :: COLORADO
10. Michael Williams :: ALABAMA
11. Ryan Otten :: SAN JOSE STATE
12. Jake Stoneburner :: OHIO STATE
13. Joseph Fauria :: UCLA
14. Philip Lutzenkirchen :: AUBURN
15. Zach Sudfeld :: NEVADA

Offensive Tackles

1. Eric Fisher : CENTRAL MICHIGAN
2. Luke Joeckel :: TEXAS A&M
3. Lane Johnson : OKLAHOMA
4. Justin Pugh :: SYRACUSE
5. Terron Armstead :: ARKANSAS PINE-BLUFF
6. Jason Bahktiari :: COLORADO
7. Menelik Watson :: FLORIDA STATE
8. Jordan Mills :: LOUISIANA TECH
9. DJ Fluker :: ALABAMA
10. Nick Becton : VIRGINIA TECH
11. Chris Faulk :: LOUISIANA STATE
12. Brennan Williams : NORTH CAROLINA
13. Reid Fragel :: OHIO STATE
14. Oday Aboushi : VIRGINIA
15. Ricky Wagner : WISCONSIN
16. Xavier Nixon : FLORIDA
17. Vinston Painter : VIRGINIA TECH
18. Garrett Gilkey : CHADRON STATE
19. Oscar Johnson : LOUISIANA TECH
20. Tanner Hawkinson : KANSAS

Offensive Guards

1. Chance Warmack : ALABAMA
2. Jonathan Cooper : NORTH CAROLINA
3. Kyle Long :: OREGON
4. Eric Herman : OHIO
5. Travis Frederick :: WISCONSIN
6. Larry Warford : KENTUCKY
7. Hugh Thornton : ILLINOIS
8. Brian Winters : KENT STATE
9. Dallas Thomas : TENNESSEE
10. David Quessenberry : SAN JOSE STATE
11. JC Tretter : CORNELL
12. Alvin Bailey :: ARKANSAS
13. Jeff Baca : UCLA
14. Earl Watford : JAMES MADISON
15. Edmund Kugbila : VALDOSTA STATE

Centers

1. Barrett Jones : ALABAMA
2. Brian Schwenke : CALIFORNIA
3. Ryan Jensen : COLORADO STATE-PUEBLO
4. Khaled Holmes : USC
5. PJ Lonergan : LOUISIANA STATE
6. Mario Benavides : LOUISVILLE
7. Lamar Mady : YOUNGSTOWN STATE
8. Braxston Cave : NOTRE DAME
9. Dalton Freeman : CLEMSON
10. Joe Madsen : WEST VIRGINIA

Defensive Ends

1. Bjoern Werner : FLORIDA STATE
2. Ezekiel Ansah : BRIGHAM YOUNG
3. Datone Jones : UCLA
4. Tank Carradine : FLORIDA STATE
5. Damontre Moore : TEXAS A&M
6. Cornelius Washington : GEORGIA
7. Alex Okafor : TEXAS
8. Sam Montgomery : LOUISIANA STATE
9. Quanterus Smith : WESTERN KENTUCKY
10. David Bass : MISSOURI WESTERN
11. Michael Buchanan : ILLINOIS
12. Malliciah Goodman : CLEMSON
13. Walter Stewart : CINCINNATI
14. Margus Hunt : SOUTHERN METHODIST
15. Lawrence Okoye : GREAT BRITAIN
16. Devin Taylor : SOUTH CAROLINA
17. Mike Catapano : PRINCETON
18. Joe Kruger : UTAH
19. Lavar Edwards : LOUISIANA STATE
20. Tourek Williams : FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL

Defensive Tackles

1. Sheldon Richardson : MISSOURI
2. Star Lotulelei : UTAH
3. Sylvester Williams : NORTH CAROLINA
4. Sharrif Floyd : FLORIDA
5. Kawann Short : PURDUE
6. Jesse Williams : ALABAMA
7. Brandon Williams : MISSOURI SOUTHERN
8. Montori Hughes : TENNESSEE TECH
9. Johnathan Hankins : OHIO STATE
10. John Jenkins : GEORGIA
11. Akeem Spence : ILLINOIS
12. Bennie Logan : LOUISIANA STATE
13. Nicholas Williams : SAMFORD
14. Jordan Hill : PENN STATE
15. Jared Smith : NEW HAMPSHIRE
16. Chris Jones : BOWLING GREEN
17. Kwame Geathers : GEORGIA
18. AJ Francis : MARYLAND
19. Josh Boyd : MISSISSIPPI STATE
20. Cory Grissom : SOUTH FLORIDA

Outside Linebackers

1. Dion Jordan : OREGON
2. Arthur Brown : KANSAS STATE
3. Sio Moore : CONNECTICUIT
4. Barkevious Mingo : LOUISIANA STATE
5. Jarvis Jones : GEORGIA
6. Khaseem Greene : RUTGERS
7. Jamie Collins : SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI
8. Gerald Hodges : PENN STATE
9. Chase Thomas : STANFORD
10. Zaviar Gooden : MISSOURI
11. Corey Lemonier : AUBURN
12. Ty Powell : HARDING
13. John Simon : OHIO STATE
14. Trevardo Williams : CONNECTICUIT
15. Sean Porter : TEXAS A&M
16. Keith Pough : HOWARD
17. Eric Martin : NEBRASKA
18. Jelani Jenkins : FLORIDA
19. Travis Long : WASHINGTON STATE
20. Phillip Steward : HOUSTON

Inside Linebackers

1. Kevin Minter : LOUISIANA STATE
2. Manti Te’o : NOTRE DAME
3. Alec Ogletree : GEORGIA
4. Kiko Alonso : OREGON
5. Nico Johnson : ALABAMA
6. Jon Bostic : FLORIDA
7. AJ Klein : IOWA STATE
8. Vince Williams : FLORIDA STATE
9. Brandon Hepburn : FLORIDA A&M
10. Steve Beauharnais : RUTGERS

Cornerbacks

1. Jordan Poyer : OREGON STATE
2. Dee Milliner : ALABAMA
3. Xavier Rhodes : FLORIDA STATE
4. Desmond Trufant : WASHINGTON
5. Jamar Taylor : BOISE STATE
6. Darius Slay : MISSISSIPPI STATE
7. Will Davis : UTAH STATE
8. Logan Ryan : RUTGERS
9. BW Webb : WILLIAM & MARY
10. DJ Hayden : HOUSTON
11. Blidi Wreh-Wilson : UCONN
12. Leon McFadden : SAN DIEGO STATE
13. Robert Alford : SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA
14. Tyrann Mathieu : LOUISIANA STATE
15. Rashaan Melvin : NORTHERN ILLINOIS
16. Sanders Commings : GEORGIA
17. Dwayne Gratz : UCONN
18. Terry Hawthorne : ILLINOIS
19. Steve Williams : CALIFORNIA
20. Johnny Adams : MICHIGAN STATE

Safeties

1. Jonathan Cyprien : FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL
2. Kenny Vaccaro : TEXAS
3. Matt Elam : FLORIDA
4. Phillip Thomas : FRESNO STATE
5. Shamarko Thomas : SYRACUSE
6. Johnthan Banks : MISSISSIPPI STATE
7. Duke Williams : NEVADA
8. Bacarri Rambo : GEORGIA
9. DJ Swearinger : SOUTH CAROLINA
10. Eric Reid : LOUISIANA STATE
11. Earl Wolff : NORTH CAROLINA STATE
12. Tony Jefferson : OKLAHOMA
13. David Amerson : NORTH CAROLINA STATE
14. JJ Wilcox : GEORGIA SOUTHERN
15. Josh Evans : FLORIDA
16. TJ McDonald : USC
17. Rontez Miles : CALIFORNIA (PA)
18. Don Jones : ARKANSAS STATE
19. Cooper Taylor : RICHMOND
20. Daimion Stafford : NEBRASKA

Top 32

1. Tyler Wilson : ARKANSAS
2. Eric Fisher : CENTRAL MICHIGAN
3. Chance Warmack : ALABAMA
4. Luke Joeckel :: TEXAS A&M
5. Jonathan Cooper : NORTH CAROLINA
6. Lane Johnson : OKLAHOMA
7. Tavon Austin : WEST VIRGINIA
8. Bjoern Werner : FLORIDA STATE
9. Dion Jordan : OREGON
10. DeAndre Hopkins :: CLEMSON
11. Justin Pugh :: SYRACUSE
12. Jonathan Cyprien : FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL
13. Sheldon Richardson : MISSOURI
14. Star Lotulelei : UTAH
15. Jordan Poyer : OREGON STATE
16. Ezekiel Ansah : BRIGHAM YOUNG
17. Quinton Patton :: LOUISIANA TECH
18. Johnathan Franklin : UCLA
19. Sylvester Williams : NORTH CAROLINA
20. Kevin Minter : LOUISIANA STATE
21. Arthur Brown : KANSAS STATE
22. Kenny Vaccaro : TEXAS
23. Zach Ertz :: STANFORD
24. Dee Milliner : ALABAMA
25. Sio Moore : CONNECTICUIT
26. Manti Te’o : NOTRE DAME
27. Tyler Eifert :: NOTRE DAME
28. Barkevious Mingo : LOUISIANA STATE
29. Datone Jones : UCLA
30. Barrett Jones : ALABAMA
31. Justin Hunter :: TENNESSEE
32. Geno Smith : WEST VIRGINIA
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I now know why you loved many of my picks in the forum mock. I like your rankings.
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Did you have Ertz as the number 4 TE in your last rankings? Why the jump?
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Greta stuff as always PF. I see you're not all that high on Swearinger. What do you think of him? I actually have him #2 behind Cyprien.

I'm actually finishing up my ranking at the moment. I'll post later tonight. I don't wanna steal any thunder from you, haha.
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Did you have Ertz as the number 4 TE in your last rankings? Why the jump?
I have never had Ertz as my #4 TE...you might be thinking of Shane's rankings

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Greta stuff as always PF. I see you're not all that high on Swearinger. What do you think of him? I actually have him #2 behind Cyprien.

I'm actually finishing up my ranking at the moment. I'll post later tonight. I don't wanna steal any thunder from you, haha.
I like Swearing as a 3rd round prospect, but I don't feel he's as tough as some rave he is.
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Just curious what yardstick you use to rate these players? Have you watched a lot of tape on these guys, or read about them, or what? I just can't wrap my head around your rating of Wilson. You at least have Nassib 7th so I agree with you there. Not sure why you have Colby Cameron ahead of anyone, that guy is horrendous I wouldn't even sign him as a UDFA with no guaranteed money.
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Just curious what yardstick you use to rate these players? Have you watched a lot of tape on these guys, or read about them, or what? I just can't wrap my head around your rating of Wilson. You at least have Nassib 7th so I agree with you there. Not sure why you have Colby Cameron ahead of anyone, that guy is horrendous I wouldn't even sign him as a UDFA with no guaranteed money.
Many of these players I have spent extensive time watching game action and for those players who it's more difficult to find footage of, I factor in part of their evaluation on their performance during post-season action.

I think this is my fourth or fifth year of posting my own rankings on prospects and I spend more time on the draft than I probably should.
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Good Stuff . Too bad Wilson won't get picked higher then 3rd round.
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Many of these players I have spent extensive time watching game action and for those players who it's more difficult to find footage of, I factor in part of their evaluation on their performance during post-season action.

I think this is my fourth or fifth year of posting my own rankings on prospects and I spend more time on the draft than I probably should.
So in your opinion what makes Tyler Wilson better than Matt Barkley for position rankings and better than Eric fisher and Luke joeckel overall? I mean, I've watched a ton of Wilson and Barkley and I don't even think its remotely close, Barkley is just head and shoulders above Wilson at everything an NFL starting qb should have (I.e. accuracy, pre-snap reading, going through progressions, etc.).
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Keep fightin the good fight on the Tyler Wilson love. History will show who was right!
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Barkley makes terrible post-snap reads and he has slow feet. Also, his arm isn't terrible but it's also not great and his mechanics seem to be maxed out.

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pre-snap reads are overrated.
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So in your opinion what makes Tyler Wilson better than Matt Barkley for position rankings and better than Eric fisher and Luke joeckel overall? I mean, I've watched a ton of Wilson and Barkley and I don't even think its remotely close, Barkley is just head and shoulders above Wilson at everything an NFL starting qb should have (I.e. accuracy, pre-snap reading, going through progressions, etc.).
I have been thru it many times, I view Tyler Wilson as a "franchise" caliber quarterback. Wilson has good size, an above average arm, the best pocket presence of any quarterback in the draft, and he's the only signal caller in the draft with "IT". Wilson possesses that confident swagger on the football field, much like a Brett Favre or Tony Romo.
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I can't give you anymore rep, but I would if I could. These are some great rankings. Not because they might be accurate, but because they're yours.

I haven't watched nearly enough football this year and I'm not even close to being in the loop, but these would be some of my grades.



ELITE

Eric Fisher : CENTRAL MICHIGAN (OT)


TOP 5

Jonathan Cyprien : FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL (S)
Tavon Austin : WEST VIRGINIA (WR)
Sheldon Richardson : MISSOURI (DL)
Lane Johnson : OKLAHOMA (OT)
Datone Jones : UCLA (DE)


TOP 10

Chance Warmack : ALABAMA (OG)
Jarvis Jones : GEORGIA (LB)
Jonathan Cooper : NORTH CAROLINA (OG)
Luke Joeckel : TEXAS A&M (OT)
Bjoern Werner : FLORIDA STATE (DE)


TOP 15

Star Lotulelei : UTAH (DL)
Matt Elam : FLORIDA (S)
Arthur Brown : KANSAS STATE (LB)
Tyler Eifert : NOTRE DAME (TE)
Xavier Rhodes : FLORIDA STATE (CB)
DJ Hayden : HOUSTON (CB)
Ezekiel Ansah : BRIGHAM YOUNG (DE)
Eric Reid : LOUISIANA STATE (S)
Cordarrelle Patterson : TENNESSEE (WR)


TOP 25

Larry Warford : KENTUCKY (OG)
Desmond Trufant : WASHINGTON (CB)
Tank Carradine : FLORIDA STATE (DL)
Sharrif Floyd : FLORIDA (DL)
Kenny Vaccaro : TEXAS (S)
Dion Jordan : OREGON (LB)


1st ROUND

Sylvester Williams : NORTH CAROLINA (DT)
Kiko Alonso : OREGON (ILB)
Dee Milliner : ALABAMA (CB)
Travis Frederick : WISCONSIN (OL)
Justin Pugh : SYRACUSE (OL)
Manti Te’o : NOTRE DAME (MLB)
Brian Schwenke : CALIFORNIA (C)


2nd ROUND

Johnthan Banks : MISSISSIPPI STATE (DB)
EJ Manuel : FLORIDA STATE (QB)
Barkevious Mingo : LOUISIANA STATE (DE)
Keenan Allen : CALIFORNIA (WR)
DJ Fluker : ALABAMA (OT)
Travis Kelce : CINCINNATI (TE)
Christine Michael : TEXAS A&M (RB)

Kawann Short : PURDUE (DT)
Robert Alford : SOUTHEASTERN LOUISIANA (CB)
Gavin Escobar : SAN DIEGO STATE (TE)
Eddie Lacy : ALABAMA (RB)
Duke Williams : NEVADA (S)
Kevin Minter : LOUISIANA STATE (ILB)
Malliciah Goodman : CLEMSON (DE)
Hugh Thornton : ILLINOIS (OL)


3rd ROUND

Damontre Moore : TEXAS A&M (DE)
Tyrann Mathieu : LOUISIANA STATE (CB)
Robert Woods : USC (WR)
Zach Ertz : STANFORD (TE)
Jamie Collins : SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI (OLB)
Menelik Watson : FLORIDA STATE (OT)
Shamarko Thomas : SYRACUSE (S)
Mike Glennon : NORTH CAROLINA STATE (QB)
Justin Hunter : TENNESSEE (WR)
Geno Smith : WEST VIRGINIA (QB)



I'll edit this later and comment on a couple players you have ranked. A couple that I think are too high like Wilson, Pugh... And a couple players that I just want to mention.

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Justin Pugh of Syracuse is interesting. I like him a lot. He's a technician with left tackle feet. He was a great college player. But his short arms are going to be an issue. I loved Bryan Bulaga just about as much as any OT I have ever seen. I ignored his arm length concerns even though it would show up on his college tape as a detriment. He has not played up to my expectations, and I think a major reason why is due to his arm length. Pugh gets jacked up a lot and struggled with physical pass rushers. I don't know if he's going to have to kick over to the right side (he's a natural left tackle), or inside to guard. Either way, I think he'll have to move away from his comfort area. I think he has Top 20 talent but arm length is a major issue with me. If he had 34 inch arms (instead of 32), then I'd have him ranked him just as high as the Top 3 LTs.

Tyler Wilson would scare me for one reason and one reason only: Bobby Petrino. Wilson's breakout junior season came in Petrino's system. It's a great system and a lot of college QBs have put up huge numbers in it. Wilson's junior season compared to his senior season is similar to Brian Brohm's decline when Petrino left Louisville. Aside from that, Wilson never really jumped out at me as an elite QB prospect, or even close to it. He's got some arm talent, but he's limited as a thrower (vertically). I think he has some starting potential, but I group him similarly with Matt Barkley. I think they're among the Top 5 QBs in this draft. Mostly because of everything but their limited physical tools. He's more of a 3rd or 4th round prospect. As is Barkley. I don't expect to see either starting in the NFL. They look like backups that are scheme dependent. Could they start in a pinch and win a few games as a stop gap? I think that would be their highlight.

But EJ Manuel surprised me the most during the Senior Bowl. He looked like he was head-and-shoulders better than every other QB out there (including Wilson who didn't throw it passed 10 yards). He really surprised me. In a class of QBs that lacks a true standout, that week was enough to push him up the board for me. Eric Fisher and Lane Johnson earned money and recognition that week. Manuel did the same. In a class of QBs where no one stood out all year long, Manuel finally did. I don't know how you have Landry Jones ahead of him. Weren't they both at the Senior Bowl? I don't know what anyone sees in Landry Jones. Manuel has as much potential as any QB in this class, athletic ability and quality intangibles. His tape was too inconsistent and he made some throws that had me shaking my head, but he has almost everything you look for in a 1st round pick. If his tape was better / more consistent, I think he'd have a chance at the Top 10 overall.

I like where you have Dee Milliner. I think he's overrated. Alabama's recent track record with corners is also a growing trend of concern, and Milliner is going to have break this recent streak. During some of the drills at the Combine I thought he looked pretty raw / bad. His speed is nice and I think people started pumping him up because of it, but from watching him in games... speed never looked like an issue to begin with. I don't really care for his technique at all. I think he'll be worthy of a first round draft pick, but not a Top 10 draft pick if he does indeed go that high. His ball skills are atrocious and his footwork scares me. He does mirror as well as any corner in this class, but that was at the college level.

If DJ Hayden didn't have the injury concerns, then I think he could have been a Top 10 pick and the first CB off the board. He's a playmaker with some of the best ball skills in this draft. He has size, speed and tackles well. There really isn't much he's missing. I'd probably gamble on Rhodes over him due to the concerns over health even though I like Hayden's game tape more than any CB from this class. 3 INTs returned for TDs in less than two years.

From what I saw of Phillip Thomas I don't see why he's regarded as a Top 5 safety. He never seems to be in the middle of the action, or he was always late to the action. He seemed like he was going through the motions and not playing at full speed. He's a big safety and he can lay some big hits, but his impact plays were few and far between. I was disappointed with what I saw from him.

We both have been high on Jonathan Cyprien for a long time. If he ran in the 4.5s I'd be putting him in the same tier as Sean Taylor, Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu. Those were my three favorite safety prospects and Cyrprien is not far behind. His combination of size and power in the box plus his range as a ballhawk... I don't think there's anything he lacks. Other than elite timed speed, Cyrprien has almost everything you look for in a safety. I think he can switch between free and strong. His college and level of play obviously hurt him, but the kid has flashed great potential during his college career and at the Senior Bowl where he looked like the best defensive back there. He can cover TEs and looks natural in man coverage. I don't know. I don't know why he isn't the consensus #1 safety prospect this class. Unless I'm dead wrong about him, I just don't know what part of his game is keeping out of first round talks. I think he'll be the third or fourth safety off the board, and probably in the early part of round 2, but I think a lot of teams are going to look back and regret not taking him or taking someone else over him. He's in my Top 5 overall, and I think it's a toss up between him and Sheldon Richardson for best defensive players this draft.

Alec Olgetree wouldn't even be on my board. Character is that bad. I get the feeling that he's going to go in the first round, but I think it's going to be to a team that doesn't ding character too much, or takes chances on players who fall due to character (i.e. Bengals, Rams).

Arthur Brown has Top 15 talent, but the guy is simply out of control most of the time, and he's going to go in the second round because of it. He plays with no discipline, no gap control and takes too many false steps. He gets caught out of position a lot, and it seems like he's just guessing out there. But when he guesses right he's downhill as fast as any linebacker you'll find. If a coaching staff gets him under control, and if he plays within the defense, then I think he could be a Lance Briggs type OLB. And I've never said any OLB prospect has Lance Briggs kind of potential. But Arthur Brown has special skills and incredible athleticism. And he takes on linemen. I have him high based on his potential, which I believe is special. He's rated highly by most, but it doesn't seem like he's viewed as a potentially great player. And I think he will be despite being very annoyed with him half of the time. I think he's one of the most talented players in this draft.

Kiko Alonso is in a similar boat as Brown. I think he's just as talented as any linebacker you are going to find. Disturbing character concerns and lack of maturity knock him down into the second or third round, but his game tape is indicative of an impact player and first round draft pick. These are my top two natural linebacker prospects.

Manti Te'o is a close third with Alonso. His instincts are as good as any linebacker I have ever seen at the college level. He is limited physically (also struggles to disengage from blockers) and had the very odd catfish saga, which, all combined, will probably drop him into the second round, but he's going to be an above average pro for a long time. Those are my Top 3 LB prospect in this draft, and consider them all first round players, but I don't think any of them will go in the first round. A very odd draft for LBs.

Maybe I'm just completely wrong about DJ Fluker, but the Top 10 hype is nothing but a fabrication of the top three offensive tackles potentially going so fast off the board. He looks nothing like a first rounder to me. I think I heard Mayock compare him to Loadholt. A good player, but a run heavy right tackle only. The difference between Johnson and Fluker is astronomical to me. Heavy feet and he's going to struggle with speed. He's more scheme specific. More of a late first round prospect, not a lottery pick.

This is an interesting group of TEs. I like the Golden Domer, Tyler Eifert, the most because of his ball skills and natural leaping ability / high pointing of the football. I think he wins contested battles at an elite level. He's just such a good hands catcher, and he makes play after play in traffic. His issues are lack of elite speed and an inability to gain separation in man coverage. Most of his catches are contested, and I think he'll struggle early in his career against man coverage, but he can dominate zone coverage. A natural receiver and very advanced, but the one concern I have is separation against man coverage. He's also a solid, willing blocker. But his size and body control is close to elite for TEs. By far the most NFL ready TE in this class. An easy first round prospect and supremely gifted.

Zack Ertz is a little overrated. I think he's the fourth best TE in this draft (from the few I've seen), and more of third or fourth round prospect. He's a really good route runner and has the exact opposite problem that Eifert has. He excels against man coverage and looks good flexed out wide against corners. He can simply beat them with route running. Eifert has to body out corners and use his size / leaping ability, which is a great attribute that Ertz doesn't seem to posses. Ertz also does little after the catch and his ball skills / high pointing of the ball seem below average. I've also seen him drop too many passes for my liking, and he fails to make contested catches on a routine basis. His scheme also helped quite a bit getting busted coverages and open looks on play action. I think he has bust potential. More of a tweener. A WR in a TEs body. His blocking is going to have to improve if he's ever going to earn a late first or early second round selection.

Travis Kelce flashes first round talent. He looks fluid and very good after the catch. His game speed also looks good. He's two dimensional and a very good run blocker. He can be a starting TE from day 1 because of his ability to stay on the field on all three downs. His route running is merely average and he needs to develop that area of his game, but his physical tools are very impressive. He has so much upside. He's splitting hairs with Gavin Escobar with me. They're two very different players where Escobar is similar to Eifert, but really lacks speed and a burst. He looks like he plays at one speed and has no acceleration in and out of his breaks, which is by far my greatest concern. He looks great high pointing the ball and he has a tremendous catch radius, but his lack of speed, specifically game speed, is going to hurt getting open at the next level. He has as much natural talent as Eifert, but he looks slower on the field and not nearly as developed.
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No Aaron Dobson in the top 20 WRs? Best hands of any WR in the class...
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