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Old 04-28-2013, 02:18 PM    (permalink
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If Jackson Jeffcoat can stay healthy in 2013, watch out. Really liked watching him before he ruptured his pectoral last year. He's no Clowney though, obviously.

I'm not so sure about Kouandjio too, watching tape on this years pass rushers vs Alabama he did not fare too well. I don't think I'd like him to play LT in the NFL, or to declare early next year.
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The mamba will be more than capable of being a slot guy in the NFL and I feel he is actually better in the open field than Tavon. His playmaking ability is 2nd to none, and will be a first rounder next year if he comes out.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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this post oozes weirdness to me. whilst i agree with you on archer the rest is just full of bs. Logan thomas is basically the same guy as EJ manuel but with an even better arm. both are just not good qbs (yet) but have all the tools in the world, therefore saying he isnt a first rounder is premature.

DAT is basically a carbon copy of tavon austin and therefore has every chance in the world to be a first rounder when all is said and done.

Redd on the other hand being a first rounder is a joke. He wasnt even a good running bakc last year and arguably also not the best back on his own team. I honestly think hell struggle to get drafted anywhere before the back end of day 3.

Seastrunk might maybe sneak into the end of rd 1 but that feels like a stretch and stating he wouldve been a first rounder like its a fact is a huge stretch.
I'll take Brett Hundley over Thomas and Manuel, but Manuel over Thomas. Though, not a Manuel fan either. Manuel has one of the stiffest motions I've seen. Thomas is horribly inaccurate and throws too many interceptions. And he just his two most experienced receivers.

I don't care if Austin is a 1st rounder. He's going to bust.

Seastrunk would have blown up the Combine and vault into the 1st.
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I agree with that, but if Dri Archer rushes for over 1400 yards and has over 500 receiving again how could he not be picked in the 1st round? And Thomas, I am not a huge fan but again it is based on tendency off of this year and what happens in the league, and if he can show he could be a slot receiver or not, which is still up in the air. And yeah Logan Thomas could be total trash, but he has the size and could put it together this year and also might not.

Archer is listed at 5'7", 175. That is puny. I like his as a prospect, but not 1st round. His hands aren't the best either for a guy that's going to earn his keep in the NFL catching passes.

Chris Thompson is the early version of Archer, but he's 192, much heavier.
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I'd probably put him behind Manziel, Mariota and Bridgewater for now. It is pretty hard to forecast the order of QBs taken this time of the year though.
Bridgewater is going to be compared to Griffin just like Geno Smith was this year even though he is more or less a pocket passer.

Also, Manziel to Dallas would be a dream come true for Jones. Manziel is alot like Romo in style of play - he can probably scramble around more and be more of a threat with his feet but I feel they really compare well to each other.
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Bridgewater is going to be compared to Griffin just like Geno Smith was this year even though he is more or less a pocket passer.

Also, Manziel to Dallas would be a dream come true for Jones. Manziel is alot like Romo in style of play - he can probably scramble around more and be more of a threat with his feet but I feel they really compare well to each other.
I don't think i've seen anyone, ever, compare Geno Smith to RGIII...
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I don't think i've seen anyone, ever, compare Geno Smith to RGIII...
He was being compared to him during the whole college season...
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I don't think i've seen anyone, ever, compare Geno Smith to RGIII...
No one who's opinion meant anything did. But the same goofballs who compared Bjoern Werner to Jj watt or Ryan swope to Wes Welker did. Skin color and position are the most important things when comparing players obviously.
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For Ohio State, Bradley Roby sure seems like a surefire top 15 pick. Great speed, great ball skills, good size, very physical in press coverage. Upside is terrific.

Carlos Hyde will probably be a late first or 2nd rounder after the year he's about to have (paired with the year he just had). 6'1"/240 with excellent speed for his size and he'll be able to break off more big runs this year now that he's 100% healthy and can plant and cut more.

Ryan Shazier (if he declares) will likely be in the first round as well. He's very undersized (6'2"/225) but there was no linebacker in college football with his closing speed, not by a longshot. Extremely fast, extremely productive, great blitzer off the edge. Tough, instinctive, should've Big Ten DPOY and 1st team all-american if not for a rough first few games last year.
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Is anyone else frustrated that next year's QB class isn't likely to be that special again?

I think Bridgewater can be rated above any of this year's class for sure. And Murray seems to have the skills to climb rankings and be an elite prospect. But are they really that much higher than Barkley/Bray a year ago? Bray and Barkley were golden armed QBs. They were cream of the crop.

Babylon said it really well when he said it was difficult to rate QBs this time of year. People always seem to get it wrong. Brian Brohm. Matt Barkley. Tyler Wilson. Tyler Bray. Matt Leinart. All of those guys were considered elite at this point in the process. Maybe I'm just nervous Bridgewater and Murray will take the same dive.
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It's going to be a horror show next year at the draft. Johnny Manziel will slip and the nonstop coverage on ESPN and NFLN will be unbearable.

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Is anyone else frustrated that next year's QB class isn't likely to be that special again?

I think Bridgewater can be rated above any of this year's class for sure. And Murray seems to have the skills to climb rankings and be an elite prospect. But are they really that much higher than Barkley/Bray a year ago? Bray and Barkley were golden armed QBs. They were cream of the crop.

Babylon said it really well when he said it was difficult to rate QBs this time of year. People always seem to get it wrong. Brian Brohm. Matt Barkley. Tyler Wilson. Tyler Bray. Matt Leinart. All of those guys were considered elite at this point in the process. Maybe I'm just nervous Bridgewater and Murray will take the same dive.
Well RGIII wasn't even on the radar at this time 2 years ago. It's true that we don't know if next years class is going to be "special" but it would be hard for it to get much worse than the 2012 class. EJ Manuel as the only 1st round QB says it all. Although Geno should've gone ahead of him.
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Interesting that you have Cato-Bishop listed as a DT. He plays DE for us and is around 265. He could probably put on another 40 pounds, but I'd like to see his measurables at 265 first. He played last year around 280, I believe.

Also, you have Thornton listed as a "to watch" player, but he may be 3rd on the depth chart this year if he can't correct his fumblitis. He had 4 fumbles during the spring game. Tony Creecy is 1st at the moment, but freshman Matt Dayes looks like a legit player and could steal carries from both Creecy and Thornton.

Others to watch at NCSU (which isn't saying much...thanks Tom):
OT/OG Rob Crisp - 6'7" 298# has never lived up to his High School hype, but I'd love to place that blame at the feet of Tom O'Brien and Jim Bridge. They really did our OL a disservice over the past 5 years. As is the case with almost all our OL, pass protection is relatively good while run blocking is HORRIFIC. Must work on that to have a shot at the next level.

LB DJ Green - 6'4" 228# Plays on the strong side and can cover tight ends and slot wr's. Entered college as a safety. Lanky. Really needs to add some weight to be seriously considered for LB in the league.

TE Asa Watson - 6'3" 237# I put him on here because I think he could probably be a combine freak, not because of any production he has or will produce. He is a glorified WR. Out all of the 2011 season after having a heart issue corrected.

Other names: OT/OG Tyson Chandler (+size, -slow), DT TY McGill (+quick, -size), DE Art Norman (+James Harrison, -size), DT Thomas Teal (+quick, -short), WR Bryan Underwood (+fast, -size), CB/S Dontae Johnson (+heady, -position?), CB Jarvis Byrd (+perseverance, -injuries), WR Quintin Payton (+hands, -speed), WR Rashard Smith (+lateral quickness, -size)
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USC has 2 very possible 2nd day picks for TE in XAVIER GRIMBLE and RANDALL TELFER.
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Casey Pachall was a probable first rounder until he had to leave school for substance abuse and go to counseling/rehab. Sounds like he is back as the starting QB for TCU - will be interesting to see what he does this season.
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keylime_5 For Ohio State, Bradley Roby sure seems like a surefire top 15 pick. Great speed, great ball skills, good size, very physical in press coverage. Upside is terrific.

Carlos Hyde will probably be a late first or 2nd rounder after the year he's about to have (paired with the year he just had). 6'1"/240 with excellent speed for his size and he'll be able to break off more big runs this year now that he's 100% healthy and can plant and cut more.
I kind of like Roby then I kind of don't, could be a star but is going to have to produce a little more on the field. Could easily be a 1st rounder but I think physically there are more talent guys out there than him, he has some physical limitations, but solid player though. Will see with Hyde, I do not see that type of talent level with him but maybe, we will see.

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ncst8fan83 Interesting that you have Cato-Bishop listed as a DT. He plays DE for us and is around 265. He could probably put on another 40 pounds, but I'd like to see his measurables at 265 first. He played last year around 280, I believe.

Also, you have Thornton listed as a "to watch" player, but he may be 3rd on the depth chart this year if he can't correct his fumblitis. He had 4 fumbles during the spring game. Tony Creecy is 1st at the moment, but freshman Matt Dayes looks like a legit player and could steal carries from both Creecy and Thornton.
I am aware Cato-Bishop is a 3/4 DE prospect, but if he fills out he could play DT potentially.

And Thornton, that was a projection potentially in the 2015 draft along with many other possible talented underclassmen backs, surprised he is that low on the depth chart right now but I thought he showed a lot of spark last year and talent, but of course it might not develop.


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True, if you take away the off the field stuff, he is arguably the most talented quarterback in the upcoming draft. So tall, so athletic, such a good arm but his off the field stuff could be his downfall if he does not clean it up.
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I kind of like Roby then I kind of don't, could be a star but is going to have to produce a little more on the field. Could easily be a 1st rounder but I think physically there are more talent guys out there than him, he has some physical limitations, but solid player though. Will see with Hyde, I do not see that type of talent level with him but maybe, we will see.

I am aware Cato-Bishop is a 3/4 DE prospect, but if he fills out he could play DT potentially.

And Thornton, that was a projection potentially in the 2015 draft along with many other possible talented underclassmen backs, surprised he is that low on the depth chart right now but I thought he showed a lot of spark last year and talent, but of course it might not develop.


True, if you take away the off the field stuff, he is arguably the most talented quarterback in the upcoming draft. So tall, so athletic, such a good arm but his off the field stuff could be his downfall if he does not clean it up.
Yea from all accounts he supposedly has his act together. I am sure he is going to be watched like a hawk by Patterson and the TCU coaches. He should really take a look at Bray as an example of what happens when you decide partying is more important than football.
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I'm kinda surprised how little talk about AJ McCarron is going on here. Yes, he has been surrounded by amazing talent, but he's produced very well and won 2 National Championship's so far.

Also for Manziel, yes somebody will take him in the 1st no matter what. It just takes a dumb GM/coach, ala Josh McDaniels with Tim Tebow.
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USC has 2 very possible 2nd day picks for TE in XAVIER GRIMBLE and RANDALL TELFER.
Morgan Breslin might join them if he doesn't go late 1st.
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As per usual, around 65% of these guys will drop like a rock come next post season and 35% will come from outside this group to become top draftees. Happens every year.
I remember when people were drooling over Robert Lester and TJ McDonald before last draft, saying Barron was good, but he wasn't anything compared to Lester or McDonald. A year later, McDonald was like a 3rd rounder and Lester went Undrafted
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Is anyone else frustrated that next year's QB class isn't likely to be that special again?

I think Bridgewater can be rated above any of this year's class for sure. And Murray seems to have the skills to climb rankings and be an elite prospect. But are they really that much higher than Barkley/Bray a year ago? Bray and Barkley were golden armed QBs. They were cream of the crop.

Babylon said it really well when he said it was difficult to rate QBs this time of year. People always seem to get it wrong. Brian Brohm. Matt Barkley. Tyler Wilson. Tyler Bray. Matt Leinart. All of those guys were considered elite at this point in the process. Maybe I'm just nervous Bridgewater and Murray will take the same dive.
Barkley was never "golden armed".

Derek Carr is 2014's Tyler Bray, in terms of arm, except with he's got it between the ears.
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Anybody know anything about Cincinnati QB Brendan Kay? Watching some Travis Kelce tape and Kay jumps out at me.
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Anybody know anything about Cincinnati QB Brendan Kay? Watching some Travis Kelce tape and Kay jumps out at me.
Keep in mind, he's a 6th-year Senior, so he's pretty old.

He looks pretty good considering his lack of game experience. Has some running ability, so he could appeal to those type of teams.

Love his footwork, has an NFL arm, quick release.
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Keep in mind, he's a 6th-year Senior, so he's pretty old.

He looks pretty good considering his lack of game experience. Has some running ability, so he could appeal to those type of teams.

Love his footwork, has an NFL arm, quick release.
Those are some of things I was seeing. Didn't realize he was so old.
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