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Old 04-29-2013, 03:23 PM    (permalink
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The only thing with that is they took a RB a round ahead of him. Didn't quite get that.
No, they needed to take another RB or have another RB on the roster to complement Lacy. Scouts have continually pointed to Lacy's ongoing medical concerns since high school, and said he played just two games at 100% last year. There's also concerns about his interviews, while he does check out, he doesn't have the mindset to carry the load in the NFL. All Alabama players come out dinged up so in order to get the most out out him, they took the perfect RB to pair with him. Franklin is a complete back, as is Lacy, but Lacy will handle the carries between the tackles. Both are solid in pass protect, Franklin better.

Just what I've gathered through comments from the Packers brass.

James Starks, Alex Green, Dajuan Harris. Not a bunch you feel comfortable with heading into the season. Add in the top two complete RBs from this class then you open up a great TC competition. They added another dimension to their offense assuming health.
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Damontre Moore in the 3rd. Best value (outside of Nassib) but combined with the talent and need. He was our best pick IMO
Did you really, i mean REALLY believe nassib was worthy of a first or second round pick? I dont think theres any question that he wasnt, his only hope was buffalo and marone. Moore was far and away a better value and a better player than nassib.

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Desond Trufant-big time player, went up and got our guy who fits perfectly in our system and gets to learn from one of the best at the position and go up against Roddy and Julio in practice. Id be very shocked if he didnt become a top 5 corner within a few years.

Sean Renfree-Great value in the 7th, I actually like this kid alot and feel he played well at Duke on a team that has been better than most their years. We need a backup QB and I think hes a great fit to mold into one.
Shocked if he wasnt top 5? commeonnnnmannnnnn

he was a good pick in a desperate need/best player available at the position kind of way, but id hardly call 22 a great value pick, thats about where he was slated to go. I think hes good, but im not sure hes even gonna be top 5 in this class

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I was surprised he was there. I like him more than the C Dallas took in the 1st!
I really liked schwenke, kinda reminded me of Kalil. But Frederick is the ****, he lost a lot of weight to make him more appealing to teams and hes probably a better guard than center but that is a man that can play very very well and dominate his opponent
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LOVED that pick for you all. Tough as nails and of course, he's from the 757 so your coach has tabs on him.
Im so excited for him, out of all the rookies aside from wheaton hes got the best chance to play
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I think it is Larry Warford in round 3. I think in a normal draft he'd be a late 1 early-mid second round pick.
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I think it is Larry Warford in round 3. I think in a normal draft he'd be a late 1 early-mid second round pick.
That is a very good point and good choice. Outstanding value in one ugly body.
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I think for the Cowboys that's probably RB Joseph Randle.



For a 5th rounder, he is expected to be a big part of the time share with Demarco Murray. They graded him as a 3rd rounder, but was patient and still got him.
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Desond Trufant-big time player, went up and got our guy who fits perfectly in our system and gets to learn from one of the best at the position and go up against Roddy and Julio in practice. Id be very shocked if he didnt become a top 5 corner within a few years.
Prepare to be very shocked. Yeah, you guys traded up for your corner and filled that need but let's think about this reasonably. He's a good man to man corner but how good is his tackling? You have to be a complete corner to be a top 5 corner. Can't just throw that around.
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Geno Smith in the 2nd was probably the best value pick by the Jets. Maybe Bohanon in the 7th. The 2 1st rounders were probably BPA but were where they were expected to go, not really great value. Every other pick was 'meh' in terms of value.
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Prepare to be very shocked. Yeah, you guys traded up for your corner and filled that need but let's think about this reasonably. He's a good man to man corner but how good is his tackling? You have to be a complete corner to be a top 5 corner. Can't just throw that around.
I agree. You also have to bring some objectivity to the argument. Was he supposed to be a top 10 pick? If so, then yes, picking him in the late teens makes him great value. But when I was watching the draft they were talking about how Sharif Floyd was falling so far. No one was surprised that Trufant was still there.
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Adding him to LB'ers Lariunitus and Dunbar will really help the Rams D. Their front 7 is going to be nasty. Long / Brockers / Langford / Quinn up front added to that LB trio will be a force. They have great CB's in Finny and Jenkins too. The D is going to be top 10 and lead in sacks again.
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Prepare to be very shocked. Yeah, you guys traded up for your corner and filled that need but let's think about this reasonably. He's a good man to man corner but how good is his tackling? You have to be a complete corner to be a top 5 corner. Can't just throw that around.
Darrelle Revis is not a top 5 corner because of his tackling. Neither is Richard Sherman. If they weren't good tacklers they would still be top 5 corners. A corner will/should always be judged on his coverage abilities.
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Darrelle Revis is not a top 5 corner because of his tackling. Neither is Richard Sherman. If they weren't good tacklers they would still be top 5 corners. A corner will/should always be judged on his coverage abilities.
Obviously it isn't 50/50 on cover skills and tackling when ranking corners just as it isn't 50/50 on pass rush and run support when evaluating DE/OLB but it has to be considered. Trufant isn't going to be held back by his tackling obviously because it's a secondary concern for his position. Revis and Sherman are as complete as they come, even if they aren't both top 5 in tackling. My main point in that post was to point out that he didn't bring the most value to that pick. Rhodes, Taylor, and Banks were all still on the board and were graded out similarly. Asante Samuel in his prime was borderline top 5 because of how terrible he was at tackling.
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For the Rams I really like Barrett Jones. He may start at guard this year before eventually taking over for Wells at center.
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Most Important? QB Geno Smith

Most Valuable.....I'll go G Brian Winters BUT I want to give an honorable shoutout to FB Tommy Bohanon.....

Dee Milliner and Sheldon Richardson are higher picks but I think both Winters and Bohanon are going to be vital in what we need from them since both are going to have vital parts upon making this offense rolling, in particular the running game.
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Revis pre injury was actually a pretty good open field tackler. Post Injury I have no idea though how he will fair in the tackling department...if he might get initiative or what not.
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Obviously it isn't 50/50 on cover skills and tackling when ranking corners just as it isn't 50/50 on pass rush and run support when evaluating DE/OLB but it has to be considered. Trufant isn't going to be held back by his tackling obviously because it's a secondary concern for his position. Revis and Sherman are as complete as they come, even if they aren't both top 5 in tackling. My main point in that post was to point out that he didn't bring the most value to that pick. Rhodes, Taylor, and Banks were all still on the board and were graded out similarly. Asante Samuel in his prime was borderline top 5 because of how terrible he was at tackling.
Well that's just a matter of opinion. Personally, I agree with him. I think Trufant is a lot better than those guys and will be a top 10 CB in the NFL. He has everything you'd look for from a length, speed, agility and production standpoint. Throw in the bloodlines and his ultra competitive nature and I wouldn't bet against him becoming one of the top corners in the league.
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Franklin to GB in the 4th.

TT wasn't enamored with Lacy (as were few if any teams), and traded down in the 2nd when Lacy was available the first time. TT actually traded UP to get Franklin. When has TT traded UP in the past (think Matthews)? Franklin will get time, isn't already beat up, and was just as productive as Lacy last year while running behind a vastly inferior line. Granted, the level of Run D faced between the two was also vastly different.

I'll say that Franklin ends up the starter by midseason if he doesn't fumble the job away. There will still probably be a bit of a RBBC in GB, but the Pack should finally end up spending much more effort on the running game (and, shockingly, not be forced to throw long on 3rd and 1s).
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Tank Carradine in the 2nd.

When you take into account the player, the need, the trade to pick up the 3rd rounder in next years draft (yes, I'm counting that as well) and still landing him. What a dream scenario come true.
Good for you guys. You guys really needed that extra help of a 1st rnd DE falling to your pick in the 2nd. I'm.....so......happy....for you.....


But seriously - Tank is a stud. You lucked out getting him.
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Luke Joeckel first round.
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As a Bucs fan I have to say it's Star Lotulelei. Panthers not only fill their biggest need, but they help out their DROY. Luke Kuechly was a beast last year. Now he has Star playing in front of him. This could be a Ray Lewis getting his Haloti Ngata. And a nightmare for me two time a year.
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For the Redskins it's hands down Rambo. He was my number 1 want from this draft. Rated as 3rd rounder and we stole him in the 6th. Pure single high FS which we needed badly.
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I think Dennard Robinson in the 5th was an absolute steal. This guy has special talent and at RB will be a beast. They got a 1st round caliber RB in the 5th. He can be Chris Johnson.
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That interior of the line went from probably the worst in the league to potentially the best in a short period of time.

For Seattle i'll go with Jesse Williams, adds some needed depth in the rotation and i just like all the tattoos.
The Williams/Simon combo was awesome for Seattle in the 5th. Great hit on needs and values. Simon will end up replacing Browner and being a similar player IMO.
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