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Old 05-01-2013, 09:41 PM    (permalink
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So this article from early April seems to be holding more true to it's word. Geno has really not proven this guy wrong.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...smith-critique
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Geno's agent left him in New York by himself after Day 1 of the draft??LOL.
That's why his ass got fired. Next.

Rule #1 in the sports agent handbook: do NOT punk your top rookie client on draft day.
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When did I say I wanted him to? It just doesn't look to me like he's got it all together.







Nice red herring.
You mean nice exposing your bias toward Geno. I don't see you writing ficticious novels about any of the other "1st rounders" that dropped like meteors.
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Part of that might be because everyone thinks Lane Kiffin is a jackass.
That would not have mattered one bit. He didn't question his personality, he questioned his coaching decision with respect to the offense after a WR got hurt and he did so publically. That is FAR worst than anything Geno is accused of, but where is the critiscism?? And before you discount what I am saying, just ask yourself, what would the narrative been if Geno openly questioned his head coach? Firestorm would still be going on. Also, who beside me on this board of critics has even brought up the Barkley comments? Also, what about something that should be a little more obvious. Smith had a rough second half of the season on a team who overall isn't nearly as talented at USC. Well guess who else did? Barkley vastly underachieved this year as well, yet, you don't hear about that on a daily basis like you do with Geno. This is not to dog out Barkley as a player or person, it's just to illustrate the contrast in how each QB is covered.

The media has been in bed with Barkley like they were in bed with Locker two years ago. The jumped on their dicks the year before they declared and they don't to accept that there analysis was WRONG. Even now, they way they are making a big deal about the Eagles trading up for Barkley in the FOURTH round, you would have thought it occured in the first round!! With Smith, there was NO buzz about him coming into last year and he didn't play for a historic football university, so there wasn't that same bubble of protection for him.
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Geno fans are already as bad as Tebow fans? Oh, this can't possibly end well.
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Its because Geno is a Jet and guys like Barkley are not. Jets are setup to be the pinatas by the idiots of the media and because fans view them as a joke(Understandably before though Idzik has done a great job thus far) and as such some fans like to pile it on.

I mean ESPN ridiculously overused the word "Circus" with even supposed to be "Unbiased" hosts on some of their NFL Draft programming to even take jabs at the team and have a nice laugh.

Had Geno been on another team, I don't think the fans would give him as much flack as he is getting right now. Its just how it is for Jets...they need to win and show some competence to shut the fools up. That simple. And I hope they do so and the idiots of the media have to go and find another story. Maybe they can try and use some integrity in their news reports for a change.
Not true at all. This overcriticism of Smith started LONG before he was drafted to the Jets. Truth be told, Cam Newton raised far more legitimate concerns than Geno. The different is, Cam was going #1 no matter what and so the media had no choice but to back off. Had a team locked onto Geno in the top 5, the criticism would be far less. These mediots don't lead, they follow.
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from deadspin



We spoke to a person close to Geno Smith, because while a player switching agencies isn't unique, it's often done for interesting reasons. Our source says that while Select Sports "absolutely told Geno he'd go No. 1," that was at the beginning of their partnership, and it's par for the course for agents to promise their clients the world. Smith is less bothered by that promise, the person says, than by Nalley and Burkhardt attempting to portray it as the sole reason for his move.

Smith, we're told, was more upset that Select Sports handled him like a potential high pick, failing to do the sorts of things that could have improved his draft position. Our source says Smith wanted to take part in the Senior Bowl, a showcase for talent looking to move up, but his agents convinced him to skip it. When Pro Football Weekly issued a scathing scouting report, calling Smith "not committed or focused" and deriding his "marginal work ethic," Smith was disappointed that his agents did nothing to combat the negative press it created, our source says.

Smith also felt betrayed, perhaps unfairly, when Jeff Nalley had two of his quarterback clients sign with teams that might have been landing spots for Smith—Chase Daniel in Kansas City and Kevin Kolb in Buffalo. (This argument doesn't hold much water after the Bills traded down to take E.J. Manuel.)
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We spoke to a person close to Geno Smith, because while a player switching agencies isn't unique, it's often done for interesting reasons. Our source says that while Select Sports "absolutely told Geno he'd go No. 1," that was at the beginning of their partnership, and it's par for the course for agents to promise their clients the world. Smith is less bothered by that promise, the person says, than by Nalley and Burkhardt attempting to portray it as the sole reason for his move.

Smith, we're told, was more upset that Select Sports handled him like a potential high pick, failing to do the sorts of things that could have improved his draft position. Our source says Smith wanted to take part in the Senior Bowl, a showcase for talent looking to move up, but his agents convinced him to skip it. When Pro Football Weekly issued a scathing scouting report, calling Smith "not committed or focused" and deriding his "marginal work ethic," Smith was disappointed that his agents did nothing to combat the negative press it created, our source says.

Smith also felt betrayed, perhaps unfairly, when Jeff Nalley had two of his quarterback clients sign with teams that might have been landing spots for Smith—Chase Daniel in Kansas City and Kevin Kolb in Buffalo. (This argument doesn't hold much water after the Bills traded down to take E.J. Manuel.)
It holds water in the sense that Smith felt the agents were not trustworthy. He has every reason to fire those clowns and it should not be viewed as a negative for him. If anyone needed marketing prior to the draft, it was Smith and Nassib as they didn't go to historic football universities. That Said, Nassib still had somewhat of an advantage being that so many members of the sports media have ties to Syracuse because of their renowed broadcast journalism program. Geno simply was not marketed correctly. Never at any time did we see a personal profile on him. His televised interviews were described as "scripted"- WTF?? He followed the advise of his agents not to attend the senior bowl, failing to realize his position at the top was not guaranteed. Whatever the case, the agents did a piss poor job with him and if someone wants to disagree with this, please feel free.
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So this article from early April seems to be holding more true to it's word. Geno has really not proven this guy wrong.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...smith-critique
Maybe you linked the wrong article. There is nothing to disprove in this article. This article is about Mike Mayock defending his buddy Nawrocki from accusations that he has an agenda against certain players like Smith and Cam Newton. Mayock did NOT say he agreed with the actual criticism that Geno is not focused and doesn't work hard in the original article.

"When he puts that out there, there's no agenda. He's not trying to bash Cam Newton or Geno Smith. This is the feedback he's getting from scouts and what he believes based on his tape study. Does that mean it's right or wrong? No. We have to minimize that a little bit because scouts can say a lot of things to get their opinions out there for their own vested reasons."

Clearly, he did not want to touch the actual criticism which to this day has not been confirmed by anyone else.
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really long read I found on the Jets boards...

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Hello Jet Fans,

If you are wondering why you should read this post, I'd first like to say that I have probably seen Geno Smith play more than anyone else on this board. Not that it makes me some professional scout, but I think I can provide a little bit of insight into your new QB.

*Warning, this will probably be a long post, but I hope to make it well worth your time.*

As a senior at WVU, I have followed Geno Smith's career from start to finish. I remember his first appearance in a game at Auburn, after our starting QB went down, to his last game in Yankee stadium. I have seen 99.99 percent of every snap he has taken (most of them in person).

Before I get directly into Geno Smith, I grew up in the Boston area (not a Patriots' fan if that matters to you guys) a big Boston College fan. I watched Matt Ryan's career closely from beginning to end, and knew he would one day make an NFL franchise very happy.

After the Atlanta Falcons drafted Ryan, with many of them being upset for passing on Glenn Dorsey, I did the same thing I'm doing here with you guys. I followed one of their message boards for a few days, and finally decided it was time to post. I told them everything I knew about Ryan from my time watching them, and assured them they had a franchise QB.

Take that for what it's worth, like I said before, I'm no professional scout or QB aficionado. Maybe I just got lucky on the Matt Ryan assessment.

But back to Geno.

I'll start off the field. I know there has been a lot said about Geno off the field lately, firing his agent, reportedly choosing not to return to Day 2 of the draft (but then returning).

I don't believe you guys need to worry about Geno off the field. Not once have I ever seen him out on the campus late at night. Now that doesn't mean he didn't party or anything, but I have also never heard anything credible about him doing something stupid in terms of off the field. The summer before his freshman year he reportedly injured his foot by riding an ATV, but besides that, no red flags off the field as far as my knowledge. And I'm someone who follows the WVU team very closely.

I don't think Geno ever got caught up in the whole big man on campus idea, or being the star football player. I truly believe Geno's biggest concern in life is being the best Quarterback he can be. This is a guy who after throwing 8 touchdown passes against Baylor, saw his mother, then spent that Saturday night with a pizza, watching film on next week's opponent, Texas.

I'm not sure many college athletes have that type of mental makeup. Now do I think Geno has some maturing left to do in life, absolutely. But, I wouldn't worry about this guy being in the bright lights of New York. I think the additional spotlight is something that will only fuel Geno.

Now in terms of his actual game play. Geno can make nearly every throw, and make it well. Is he always consistent with those throws? No he misses some, but I believe it can be improved with continued coaching. Geno makes some throws that absolutely boggle my mind in a good way though.

For example. Check out that throw down the right sideline to Tavon in the Oklahoma game this past year, or that throw against LSU to Tavon right down the field. Keep in mind, Oklahoma had the 8th ranked passing defense this past year, and you guys all know how good LSU's defense is.

Those are just some of the throws that speak to Geno's "arm talent." Making the throws won't be the problem. In my personal opinion, Geno is extremely accurate. You can argue that he just throws dink and dunk passes, but he threads a lot of difficult throws. Particularly, I think he does a great job of throwing a receiver away from a defender. He'll throw the ball low if he has to protect his receiver from being hit high, or lead his receiver to a spot where he can catch and run.

Now some may also argue that he was throwing to two great receivers, and while I absolutely agree with that assessment, make sure to look at what else he had around him. Did you notice any other offensive players drafted by WVU this year, or even the past year?

No. WVU had a very talented trio, but after that, it was mediocre at best. The offensive line was below average. Hell, at one point this year in the Texas Tech game (what started our collapse) the play-by-play announcer was calling out on live TV whether WVU was passing or running based on our left tackle's stance. We had an average running game that was very inconsistent, never giving Geno a dependable outlet.

Now one of the most important factors to a quarterback in my opinion is, can the QB come up in the clutch? I want a guy who with 2 minutes left in a game and down 4, leads a team on a game winning drive.

Geno displayed this quality from a very early age in his career. In just his 2nd career start, down 15, Geno led two back-to-back 90 plus yard drives late in the 4th quarter at Marshall, and eventually won the game in overtime. That included a 2-point conversion with just seconds left in the game to send it to overtime. Keep in mind WVU has never lost to Marshall, their fans treat it as a Superbowl when they play us, and Geno snatched victory from the jaws of defeat, leaving them stunned. How many guys in their 2nd career start could manage that?

Geno has shown the capability to come up big throughout his career. This past year he led a late drive against Oklahoma to put WVU up. But as WVU's defense did all year, they let Oklahoma score in the final seconds on a 4th and goal. He was 2-0 against WVU's rival Pitt, including defeating them at Pitt as a true sophomore in VERY windy conditions (I know that's been a concern).

His junior year with a BCS bowl birth on the line, Geno led yet another game winning drive at South Florida, that set up a game-winning field goal to beat the buzzer. Against TCU this past year, he threw a TD on the first play of double-overtime, but yet again, WVU's defense allowed TCU to score, and then convert a 2-point conversion that won them the game.

He was the Orange Bowl MVP his junior year in one of the biggest games of his career. Yes he got some touchdowns from that tip pass to Tavon, but if you watch that game, Geno made a lot of plays in the game, both with his arm and legs.

I could list other instances of him displaying the "clutch gene" as Skip Bayless would call it, but I think I've made the point. With the game on the line, Geno has shown he can get it done.

Now another thing I want to touch on is WVU's meteoric rise then fall this year, and how it affected Geno's stock.

Everyone knows how the season started for Geno and how it finished. I believe a lot of his "stock falling" had to do with the team itself. The Texas Tech game began the slide, and after losing that game, I believe the team was shell-shocked. After going down to Texas and getting a tough victory, I think they truly developed National Title aspirations. The Texas Tech game hit them hard, and they weren't emotionally ready for Kansas State the next week. After losing that they hit a pivotal point in their season with TCU.

They lost a very close TCU game in double overtime, and then lost in the last seconds of Oklahoma two weeks later. I know it is a lot of "what ifs" but had those two game just went slightly different, WVU is sitting with at least 9 wins, and probably doesn't continue their prolonged slide, and gets maybe 10 wins. The National Media would then be looking at Geno's great statistics in a much better fashion. Does he deserve some fault for the losses? Yes. But all I'm trying to say is there's a fine line between winning and losing, and how it is portrayed.

Maybe this isn't relevant at all but I know there is a lot of talk surrounding Teddy Bridgewater and Tajh Boyd for next year. Well just keep in mind that in WVU's last season in the Big East, they won the conference over Bridgewater's Louisville squad. WVU also defeated Boyd's Clemson squad in the Orange Bowl.
Obviously that speaks more toward the team than individuals, but just food for thought.

Of course a lot of "bad tape" has been shown on him lately. Especially by national media outlets, wishing to show his deficiencies. There is bad tape on anyone though. Even Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, some of which this Jets defense has been responsible for. You can take any player and make him look poor from a collection of several highlights. But if you look at the totality of his play you'll find a lot more "good tape" than "bad."

Also I think you have to love the amount of football Geno Smith has played. He's started the past 3 seasons at WVU, and even saw some time freshman year in a reserve role and coming in for injury. This is a guy who has seen a lot of defenses over his career. He understands preparation. He understands what is expected of him as a QB. He also started a ton of games in high-school. He has a lot of football experience, and has proven successful, unlike some who just show flashes. This is a guy who has been consistent for years.

He's also played in plenty of less than stellar weather conditions. I can surely attest to you that Morgantown is no tropical paradise. He's played in snow, pouring rain, freezing temperatures, beautiful sunny days, windy conditions, domes. You name it, and he has probably played in it. So I don't think adjusting to New York's weather game conditions is too much of a concern.

Back to this season. WVU's pass defense was one of the worst in football. I'm not exaggerating either, as the numbers will show you. We had a former Harvard Law student, with hardly any coaching experience as our defensive backs coach, and it showed. Hence why he was abruptly fired this offseason.

They couldn't cover anyone. Geno put the team in position to win that TCU and Oklahoma game, and the defense couldn't close it out. Hell the defense allowed a 96 yard touchdown pass in the TCU game with a minute and a half left, which tied the game.

Geno had a lot of pressure on him to continuously carry the load. That Baylor game for example speaks volumes. He didn't just throw 8 touchdowns in a meaningless beat down. He had to throw those 8 td's, and score on nearly every possession because Baylor scored 63 points. Geno just kept coming out on every drive and delivering though.

Eventually having that poor of a defense will catch up to you though. How mentally trying must that be knowing you have to be nearly perfect game in and out just to keep your team in the game? Also take into account that his favorite target, Stedman Bailey, injured himself in the Texas Tech game, and wasn't right for a few weeks. That really hurt Geno, as Bailey has been his security blanket since high school. Just as a side note, I know you guys got a good player in Winters with your 3rd round selection, but I would have loved to have seen the Jets draft Bailey with that pick and keep those two together.

One negative that I believe Geno can improve on his how long he holds the ball. With his athletic ability, which he rarely showed in terms of running the ball, I'd like to see him tuck it away and pick up 5 or 6 yards easy yards and slide, rather than holding onto the ball waiting for the open receiver. I think you'll see a lot of Geno trying to escape and keep the play alive down field, rather than take off running for yards. I think sometimes it's just best to take the easy yards than trying to hit the home run.

Also I'd like to address the talk of him being a "system QB." I understand why people talk about it, but for those that don't know, he began his career in a pro-style offense and under center. So he's not completely unfamiliar that. I don't believe the system is what made Geno, but the system allowed Geno to highlight his talents. With the way the NFL is headed right now anyways, you could argue that if your not a spread quarterback, then you're probably a little behind the pro game. I mean do people say Tom Brady is any less of a quarterback because he makes a 7 yard pass to Wes Welker, and Welker picks up 20 after the catch, similar to what Geno did with Tavon at times. If anything it shows Geno is capable of making those quick decisions in a short amount of time and space (which fits well with your OC's West Coast system). Just my opinion though.

Ultimately Geno left WVU a better place than he found it. He was a heralded recruit out of Miramar Florida, who had offers from Alabama, Florida, Florida State, Oregon, LSU. But he chose to come to WVU and create his own legacy. He's been a great player at every stage of football thus far, and I truly believe that will continue into the NFL.

Yes he needs the proper coaching, and talent around him, but who doesn't? From an outside observer, I really like the direction the Jets appear headed in.

You guys have a great competitor with your new QB. Can he be overly emotional? Yes, but he just wants to win. As a Celtics' fan (yes the Knicks are kicking our ass) his attitude reminds me a lot of Rajon Rondo. Geno's a smart kid, English major, was a talented art student at a young age, and he's the ultimate competitor. Sometimes that rubs people the wrong way.

But I think teammates will respect him. He was notorious for getting into trash talking battles before the game with opposing teams and both teams would typically get into a little pushing a shoving match at half field. I don't think it was anything malicious, but just that fire of competition and Geno trying to get his teammates ready for battle (for lack of a better term).

He's got a great swagger about him at times. He got into a trash talking duel at Texas this past year with some of their recruits behind the bench and taunted them with a Horns down symbol. Is that what you want from your starting QB. I don't know, you could argue both sides of it. But he's a confident kid, who I do believe needs to manage the lows a little better, but I think he can. When Geno is on though, boy he is on and he'll just carve up a defense like a surgeon. I think has he continues as a pro, he'll learn how to control his emotions and use them at the appropriate time.

Maybe I'm wrong, and this will all look dumb in 3 years, but if the Jets continue to acquire some offensive talent, and give Geno the support and time to develop (I personally think he could start this year and handle it well), you guys have your franchise quarterback.

For those that took the time to read this, I appreciate it, and wish you guys the best of luck this season. I know I'll be rooting for you guys.

Also forgot to mention this in my original post. But Andrew Luck's father, Oliver Luck is the AD at WVU. When he hired Dana Holgorsen as Head Coach, he told him that Geno was special and would be a pro. Former Colts GM, Bill Polian has also been on record as saying that Oliver Luck told him there are no character concerns with Geno whats so ever. Oliver knows a thing or two about quarterbacking, with his son, and also being a former NFL QB, so I'd take his word in pretty high regard.
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Thanks for the repost, bitonti.

Never knew Geno was a trash talker before games(Philip Rivers).
That horns down hand gesture to the Longhorns recruits is just brutally awesome IMO.

Just confirms I really think the Jets got a major steal in the 2nd round and may have found an answer for their QB woes since Pennington left.

Geno looks like he should be a solid starter, and if he gets some legit weapons around him he could be a star.
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So not only is this brother named "Geno", he rides ATVs??

Seriously, REALLY good find. I am so glad he mentioned a couple of things that have been on my mind including the "bad tape" of about 3-4 plays that for some reason get played over and over a like a bad movie on HBO, the confirmation that there was little talent on his team save for the two excellent receivers and the fact that he had offers from major football schools. Also, I got the same feeling that the entire team was shell shocked once the first loss happened. It's likely they realized that collectively, they weren't that talented and were on an offensive high in prior weeks. I am telling you, that defense was horrendous even by bad college defenses standards and the line was non-existent at times. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if someone hear accuses me of making excuses for Geno, but what I doubt is that anyone would try and spin the fact that the team was devoid of talent outside of Geno and his two receivers.

Also, food for thought. Barkley had bad tape this year. So did Jones and Glennon. Ask youself, how many times did that show that bad tape on television during the draft process? My whole problem is the balance of scrutiny given toward Smith. Maybe because it's based on higher expectations for a more talented QB; however, it has been so in excess that it has hurt him.
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really think jets should start garrard for the 1st 12 or so games and let geno learn

then play him the last 4 games and see what he needs to work on for next year
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So not only is this brother named "Geno", he rides ATVs??

Seriously, REALLY good find. I am so glad he mentioned a couple of things that have been on my mind including the "bad tape" of about 3-4 plays that for some reason get played over and over a like a bad movie on HBO, the confirmation that there was little talent on his team save for the two excellent receivers and the fact that he had offers from major football schools. Also, I got the same feeling that the entire team was shell shocked once the first loss happened. It's likely they realized that collectively, they weren't that talented and were on an offensive high in prior weeks. I am telling you, that defense was horrendous even by bad college defenses standards and the line was non-existent at times. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if someone hear accuses me of making excuses for Geno, but what I doubt is that anyone would try and spin the fact that the team was devoid of talent outside of Geno and his two receivers.

Also, food for thought. Barkley had bad tape this year. So did Jones and Glennon. Ask youself, how many times did that show that bad tape on television during the draft process? My whole problem is the balance of scrutiny given toward Smith. Maybe because it's based on higher expectations for a more talented QB; however, it has been so in excess that it has hurt him.
i dont think people understand how pathetic our defenses was; as that long post pointed out, he needed to go 45-51 with 600 yds and 8 tds vs baylor

the very next week against texas, he had to go 5-5 on 4th downs and 10-11 in the 2nd half to win

its easy to say he shouldnt give up, but against kstate, we kick; proceed to give up a FG; geno goes 3 and out; defenses give up a TD

its 10-0 kstate 5 minutes into the game; it was over at that point; they marched up and down the field; defense wasnt gonna stop them the rest of the game

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It'll be interesting to see how Geno does in a very different situation with the Jets than he was in at WVU. As opposed to having no defense and pretty much only receivers on offense the Jets' defense, offensive line, and run game should be somewhere around average or better but their receivers are a big question mark right now.
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Geno smith not playing in te Senior bowl didn't mean crap.

Also the post by the WVU fan: just bc he doesn't have character issues I terms of getting in trouble doesn't mean he can be a leader.

If you've read all the media articles that have questioned his mental toughness and make up, he's responded back very fragile and hasn't taken the criticism very well.

How is he going to handle the pressure? Look at Eli manning. That dude just shook it off and brushed it off his shoulders. NY media can very easily eat him alive and he hasn't responded well so far.
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You can't be a leader at QB unless you're a GOOD player first.
Tim Tebow may be the best leader of men (formerly) in the NFL. Doesn't mean a damn thing because he can't get on the field because his coaches don't trust his ability to play the position.

If Geno shows he can make plays and move the Jets offense, his teammates will listen to what he has to say. Right now he's just another rookie nobody in NY.
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You can't be a leader at QB unless you're a GOOD player first.
Tim Tebow may be the best leader of men (formerly) in the NFL. Doesn't mean a damn thing because he can't get on the field because his coaches don't trust his ability to play the position.

If Geno shows he can make plays and move the Jets offense, his teammates will listen to what he has to say. Right now he's just another rookie nobody in NY.
Nope not with that media. That spotlight is going to be on him all the time. After he was drafted the headline was something like "Broadway Geno". He is a mental midget, can't handle adversity - I said it after the KSU/TT games - when things don't go his way he breaks down and it is only going to be intensified with the New York media.
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The Jets should cut Sanchez now and go with Garrard and Geno. No point to keeping Sanchez around. Garrard is a better QB if not hurt and Geno is the QB for the future.

Geno should not get of the field at all in 2013. AGAIN HE SHOULD NOT GET ON THE FIELD IN 2013. This team should take their lumps as a 4-12 to 5-11 team. Draft well next year, sign some free agents that fit your mold of core guys and then let Geno play.

The worst thing you can do for a young QB is start them on a sinking ship. Let this ship sink. If they wait till 2014 to play him the Jets could have a pretty good team under Geno's feet.
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Nope not with that media. That spotlight is going to be on him all the time. After he was drafted the headline was something like "Broadway Geno". He is a mental midget, can't handle adversity - I said it after the KSU/TT games - when things don't go his way he breaks down and it is only going to be intensified with the New York media.
The only adversity Geno's faced during his college career were against KState and TT last year?? Come on man.

Let's be real. Geno wanted to win the Heisman last season. When he saw it slipping away with awful performances against KSU and TT, he lost it a little, but it wasn't a melt down.

Call him a mental midget if you want, or speculate he can't handle adversity, but that's not the player I saw.

Too many times he's excelled under pressure for me not to give Geno the benefit of the doubt. This isn't Mark Sanchez who needed his nuts juggled by Rex Ryan to know that he was still loved.
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No such thing in New York.
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Nope not with that media. That spotlight is going to be on him all the time. After he was drafted the headline was something like "Broadway Geno". He is a mental midget, can't handle adversity - I said it after the KSU/TT games - when things don't go his way he breaks down and it is only going to be intensified with the New York media.
A mental midget, huh? Well isn't that special. Oh, and it must be true because after all, you said it after the KSU-TT games! The guy is articulate, intelligent by all accounts, presents well in interviews, and for some reason, you come to the conclusion that he is a mental midget. Says a lot about you world view. Funny, I never heard anyone refer to Jake Locker or Matt Leinart as mental midgets. Why is that I wonder? Oh, and I guess bowl games don't count as pressure games. And winning your conference? No pressure involved with that, right?
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See, the thing I don't get is the interpretation of his actions.

Like if Brady or Peyton goes off on the sidelines when they're getting their butt whipped, that's being a competitor and leader.

When Geno does it he's a mental midget.

When Brady was upset for being passed over, or when Rodgers was upset it's bc they were competitors. With Geno he's a mental midget.

I'm not saying that those assertions are necessarily wrong, bc I haven't scouted Geno enough to say one way or another, but I do find it a bit hypocritical.

Geno Smith has been overanalyzed to death. I hope he does well, bc I feel like he's been unfairly criticized.
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See, the thing I don't get is the interpretation of his actions.

Like if Brady or Peyton goes off on the sidelines when they're getting their butt whipped, that's being a competitor and leader.

When Geno does it he's a mental midget.

When Brady was upset for being passed over, or when Rodgers was upset it's bc they were competitors. With Geno he's a mental midget.

I'm not saying that those assertions are necessarily wrong, bc I haven't scouted Geno enough to say one way or another, but I do find it a bit hypocritical.

Geno Smith has been overanalyzed to death. I hope he does well, bc I feel like he's been unfairly criticized.
I have a better comparison. Compare him across the board to every other QB in this draft class- stats, interviews, W-L record, conference record, skill set, draft ranking, where he was drafted and anything else you can come up with. How the HELL does this guy come off as some sort of scourge of the QB class? He stacks well up in every imaginable category, but by the hate he is receiving, you would have thought he was the one that fell to the 4th round instead of the others. There is no bigger indictment than where a player gets drafted, and that last time I checked Geno got drafted two rounds ahead of who were thought to be his cohorts.
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