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Old 05-02-2013, 07:38 PM    (permalink
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The tape is just so god damn unimpressive. He lacks any killer instinct or first step, gets absolutely MAN handled by pretty much any blocker, and the majority of his sacks weren't a matter of getting to the QB as much as they were the QBs rolling out of the pocket and he was just there.

I really hate the pick after watching so much tape of him, especially when there were so many other guys around that I wanted. But, I digress. Hopefully it works out.
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I actually see Collins as kind of a poor man's Dion Jordan. I don't think he will ever be a double digit sack guy but he offers positional flexibility. I think he can learn from and then take over from Nink as a guy who can play LB and rush in situations. I like the pick, he has mountains of upside
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I actually see Collins as kind of a poor man's Dion Jordan. I don't think he will ever be a double digit sack guy but he offers positional flexibility. I think he can learn from and then take over from Nink as a guy who can play LB and rush in situations. I like the pick, he has mountains of upside
I don't think he possesses anywhere near the fluidity in pass coverage that Jordan does. Frankly I'd be a bit surprised if he's any better than Hightower or Mayo in that department. I think if he's going to make it, it'll have to be as a pass rusher and as someone who can cut off outside running plays. I don't see him as a 10 sack guy, but I also don't see him as a Manny Lawson either.
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I don't think he possesses anywhere near the fluidity in pass coverage that Jordan does. Frankly I'd be a bit surprised if he's any better than Hightower or Mayo in that department. I think if he's going to make it, it'll have to be as a pass rusher and as someone who can cut off outside running plays. I don't see him as a 10 sack guy, but I also don't see him as a Manny Lawson either.
I think, while Dion Jordan's athleticism is extraordinary, his coverage abilities are slightly overrated. I don't think he is that much better than what Collins does. Now i wouldn't want Collins playing press man against a WR like Jordan has, however a lot of times last year Jordan was literally just covering grass. I also think as of right now Collins is the better pass rusher, however Jordan has more upside in that department.

And to be honest, if you can get an edge guy who can cover like Mayo it's pretty good. Mayo's coverage isn't outstanding, but it's a lot better than almost any edge rusher in the league
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Collins is a terrible pass rusher. And that was at the college level.
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Collins is a terrible pass rusher. And that was at the college level.
I think you're being a bit too harsh. At the end of the day he was able to beat his guy a few times, even if the majority he was unblocked. He made plays when he was unblocked that the guys we have aren't explosive enough to make. If they isolate him and give him space, or let him stunt he can make things happen like Mark Anderson did. If they give him a gap and expect him to beat his guy in that gap, and expect him to hold that gap he'll fail. We have big bodies everywhere to occupy blockers, and we should have the flexibility to let Collins do his thing.

Towards the end of last season we played a lot of 4 man fronts with Mayo and Hightower aligned in a 9 tech and just Spikes manning the middle. We can do the same thing with Collins. Have a guy like Jones or Ninkovich rush hard upfield and Collins blitz underneath. It's going to be all about creativity. If Collins goes unblocked or people can't stonewall him the play is over. Nobody else we currently have can close and finish that quickly.

I don't expect him to be a guy who can play with his hand in the dirt for 2+ years, but he does serve a purpose in the meantime.
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I probably am being a bit harsh, and I don't want to be the negative nancy after the draft this year, but I just don't see it with him. I mean were basically saying if he goes in unblocked he can make things happen. Lol, ok, how often does that typically happen in a game, generally only a handful of times. I'm not buying the IF he goes in unblocked he can make things happen. That was the majority of his sacks in college, and I really don't see that being as frequent in the NFL.

I will say if he proves me wrong I will eat crow on all of this, I just really really reaaaally hate the pick as it stands right now. But with my points made I will shut up about Collins.
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I probably am being a bit harsh, and I don't want to be the negative nancy after the draft this year, but I just don't see it with him. I mean were basically saying if he goes in unblocked he can make things happen. Lol, ok, how often does that typically happen in a game, generally only a handful of times. I'm not buying the IF he goes in unblocked he can make things happen. That was the majority of his sacks in college, and I really don't see that being as frequent in the NFL.

I will say if he proves me wrong I will eat crow on all of this, I just really really reaaaally hate the pick as it stands right now. But with my points made I will shut up about Collins.
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The more I read about Aaron Dobson, the more excited I get.

If only we had someone who could develop young WRs...

He's incredibly smart and athletic.

Also, if you haven't seen TJ Moe's combine numbers:
40 yard Dash: 4.74 (worst)
Bench: 26 (1st)
Vertical: 36.0 (T10)
Broad: 120.0 (T16)
3 Cone: 6.53 (1st)
20 Yard shuttle: 3.96 (1st)
60 Yard shuttle: 10.87 (1st)

I think he's going to be my prediction for the UDFA to make the team this year.
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