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Old 05-04-2013, 06:31 PM    (permalink
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I dunno Joeckel, Fischer, Fluker and Johnson are all pretty legit prospects to be going that high. It's only an odd draft to those who get their rocks off to the skill position players. Every year is different.
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Taylor Lewan, Jake Matthews, Cyrus Kouandjio, David Yankey, James Hurst, Ja'wuan james, Zach Martin, Seantrel Henderson all potential first round picks and there will probably some more who have a good 2013 and senior bowl.
This year was supposed to be that year, but we had a lot of truly elite OTs return for another year. Lewan and Matthews were 2 of them.
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It was more "2013 the year of mediocre top players"
No. True, it would have been better if all the elite draft-eligible OTs declared, but there were still plenty of highly talented OTs this year.

Look no further than 3 LTs going top 4.
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No. True, it would have been better if all the elite draft-eligible OTs declared, but there were still plenty of highly talented OTs this year.

Look no further than 3 LTs going top 4.
Don't you mean RTs? At least for 2013, lol.
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There were an above average level of good OL prospects in 2013 and a very below average amount of great prospects in other positions. A complete lack of elite or even great players at most skill positions.
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Don't you mean RTs? At least for 2013, lol.
Good point. But expect them all to be playing LT very soon.
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Wasn't 2013 the year of the OT?
It was and is the year of the second round QB that people couldn't stop talking about.
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It was and is the year of the second round QB that people couldn't stop talking about.
Even though most of them went 4th round or UDFA.
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OTs are safe picks on paper. Fast forward 3 years from now and you see a lot of them wind up being mediocre players in the NFL.
This is actually false. OTs are actually riskier than QBs. (they have a higher bust rate).
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My surprisingly real concern is that the LT market might get sated. Kind of surreal really. The big IF, if all three top LT picks pan out, you have a lot of quality LT's.

You have KC Philly and Jacksonville, where you would think that they each have two tackles that can be upper echelon LT's. Throw in the ravens with McKinnie/Oher and the Pats with Solder/Vollmer plus others.

Granted I think that will even out with LT caliber players asking for LT money will move to demand. That being said, a starting LT is not a scarcity it used to be.

Overall, I think it is an interesting year for both Lewan and Matthews. Lewan needs to shake the Long comparisons and show he is a legit pure LT. Matthews needs to make the most of being the LT understudy now in the big show.

I think both might regret not coming out in this draft. They could be, but I think neither would seriously challenge Joeckel/Fisher, but be damned if they couldn't challenge Johnson and at least be Fluker.
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No. True, it would have been better if all the elite draft-eligible OTs declared, but there were still plenty of highly talented OTs this year.

Look no further than 3 LTs going top 4.
yes because there was no Andrew Luck, No RG3, No Trent Richardson and no Morris Claiborne.

3 OTs in the top 4 wouldn't happen in a normal draft
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This is actually false. OTs are actually riskier than QBs. (they have a higher bust rate).
That's pretty much what he just said.
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This is actually false. OTs are actually riskier than QBs. (they have a higher bust rate).
They do? Last time I ran the numbers they are far safer picks than QBs. How far back are you basing this on? If you only go back 10-15 years it isn't even close QBs bust way more. Are you counting a LT having to switch to RT as a bust or something?
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They do? Last time I ran the numbers they are far safer picks than QBs. How far back are you basing this on? If you only go back 10-15 years it isn't even close QBs bust way more. Are you counting a LT having to switch to RT as a bust or something?
After having looked it up, you're right. It's defensive tackles that bust like QBs, not offensive ones.

And yea, even if you count guys that play LG or RT that are drafted in the top half of the draft, you still end up with a good percentage of guys that are not considered busts.
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After having looked it up, you're right. It's defensive tackles that bust like QBs, not offensive ones.

And yea, even if you count guys that play LG or RT that are drafted in the top half of the draft, you still end up with a good percentage of guys that are not considered busts.
Yeah defensive front 7 guys in general have had a ton of first round busts throughout the years no denying that. I think there's a good chance that Jordan, Ansah, Mingo, and Werner all bust from this class.
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Instate as in Notre Dame, my guess is you don't worry too much about IU.

Was he ever in play for the Irish?
apparently we were his very early leader but he ended up wanting to play with his brother iirc

at the same time the staff was all gung ho about seantrell henderson. Whether he was in play or recruiting services just making us think he was your never really sure though
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Look out for Cameron Erving - Redshirt Junior.

Starting LT for FSU last season and it was his 1st year as an O-lineman as he is a former DT. He is a huge part of our running game and overall a very solid blocker even with the lack of experience playing O-line.

6'6 - 315lbs
Totally agree, I was shocked he was moved to offensive line from defensive tackle, but sure looked solid and seems to have a lot of ability there. I really like him as well.


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I know tape is hard to come by right now, but I've always been impressed with Cornelius Lucas of Kansas State.

He's gonna measure in between 6'7 and 6'8" and will probably weight somewhere around 330.

He's played LT for K-State, and can have a future there in the NFL in the right system. He's not going to be an Eric Fisher type, but he could play the Bryant McKinnie, Jared Gaither LT role.

He's probably not going to be a 1st rounder, probably not even a 2nd rounder. He'll likely go somewhere in the 3rd
Agreed again, loved that kid, he is a mountain out there, huge guy and moves pretty well I would say for someone his size. Will only get better with time I feel.


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A guy to keep an eye on, Donovan Smith, LT, Penn State. He'll be a 3rd year soph this coming year. 6'5, and a lean 325lbs
Really he is a redshirt kid? Well that explains a little more, I was real impressed with him last year but didn't he get injury a missed some time? Still looks like a star but I would be surprised if he has developed so much he comes out early even as a redshirt sophomore.



And in terms of just potential Antonio Johnson of North Texas has a ton of raw ability. Still has a long way to go but I really like what I saw from him last year physically. And if one wants to talk Stanford lineman, I would talk Cameron Fleming over Yankey personally, just has a higher ceiling I think.


Seantrel Henderson it is clearly put up for shut up time for him, really hated his freshman season and even his sophomore season but last year he came around, stayed on the field and played a little better. Physically cannot get much better than him with size and athletic ability but his play will have to take one more step if he wants to be a 1st rounder.


Really underrated at this point I think is Jamon Brown of Louisville. He impressed me a ton last year as a sophomore. Huge kid, run blocks well and has nice feet, potential wise in that junior class this year Kouandjio is the only one I have ahead of him.
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A guy to keep an eye on, Donovan Smith, LT, Penn State. He'll be a 3rd year soph this coming year. 6'5, and a lean 325lbs
He's a good name to watch, but I doubt he would declare in a loaded class. The problem with waiting is that in 2 years (when he has lost his eligibility), the NFL's need for OTs might have decreased because of the surplus going through. (we could have 2 seriously great classes back to back)

Definitely sounds like a guy to watch, though.
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