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Old 05-06-2013, 01:09 PM    (permalink
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You can't deny that Tebow had a good playoff game though. I think Tebow is a joke at qb, but if we're gonna be objective about it, Tebow had a good playoff game.

I think a big problem with Tebow and his perception is there's no middle ground on him. He has such strong supporters who are completely blind to his shortcomings, but he also has a lot of critics who are completely blind to his positive traits as well.

He's an awful quarterback. But there are a lot of awful quarterbacks in this league. I think from a talent perspective alone, there's no reason why he can't be on an NFL roster.

It's all the extra stuff that comes with him that's the problem.
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The thing is...a lot of qbs who are backups can't throw the ball. He's not the only one.

I mean...if Brady Quinn can be a qb in this league, why can't Tebow? He still completes 50% of his passes. Yeah, that's an awful number, but I rather have his 50% and some scrambling than Brady Quinn.

If you took all the distractions away, and just looked at him as a qb, would you rather have him or Brady Quinn as your backup?

I rather have Tebow. At least I can run some read option and have him dive behind his OL on some run plays, and maybe complete like half of his passes.

It's ugly, it's not ideal, and it's not easy to do, but if you're stuck playing a backup qb, why not? He gives me a better chance to win than Quinn does, even if I have to rip up my playbook and let him run around like a headless chicken.

He's not on a roster bc of his distractions. Of course him sucking also has a lot to do with it, but he's not the only awful qb in this league.

Tavaris Jackson and Brady Quinn have jobs. Like seriously.
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Don't forget that Graham Harrell is really on an NFL roster.

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Graham Harrell. Tarvaris Jackson. Brady Quinn. Curtis Painter. Jimmy Clausen.

I mean come on. You can't tell me those guys give you a better chance to win. You just can't. Yeah Tebow is a running back. Cool. I rather run him up the gut 30 times a game and hand off the other 30 times than have any of those guys above as my quarterback on Sunday.
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But all he cares about are his teammates. He doesn't want to switch positions and make one of them get cut?
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How doesn't it matter? The fact that there are other awful quarterbacks who can't throw the ball sets the parameters of what a backup or 3rd string NFL qb is.

If you break down Tebow, there's no reason why this guy can't stick somewhere as a backup or 3rd string qb on talent alone. He can't throw it as well as some of those other awful qbs, but it's not like they're Joe Montana either.

Yet Tebow offers a significant advantage over them as a read option/scrambler. So while his ability to pass is awful, the 4% difference in completion percentage is negated by his ability to run.

Even as a practice squad qb, he offers versatility as a legit guy who can mimic the read option or scrambling ability of some quarterbacks. There's value there.

I just don't see how a Curtis Painter has any value over a Tim Tebow from strictly a football perspective. There's just no way. Even if he's being a douche and won't switch positions, the guy is willing to play special teams and practice at any position to help his team. He just wants to try to develop as a qb.
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How doesn't it matter? The fact that there are other awful quarterbacks who can't throw the ball sets the parameters of what a backup or 3rd string NFL qb is.

If you break down Tebow, there's no reason why this guy can't stick somewhere as a backup or 3rd string qb on talent alone. He can't throw it as well as some of those other awful qbs, but it's not like they're Joe Montana either.

Yet Tebow offers a significant advantage over them as a read option/scrambler. So while his ability to pass is awful, the 4% difference in completion percentage is negated by his ability to run.

Even as a practice squad qb, he offers versatility as a legit guy who can mimic the read option or scrambling ability of some quarterbacks. There's value there.

I just don't see how a Curtis Painter has any value over a Tim Tebow from strictly a football perspective. There's just no way. Even if he's being a douche and won't switch positions, the guy is willing to play special teams and practice at any position to help his team. He just wants to try to develop as a qb.
Is Tebow even eligible to be on a Practice Squad at this point? I don't dispute that he could have some value as a Third String QB, but the media attention he'd bring isn't worth the headache for a position that is largely used for developmental purposes.
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Is Tebow even eligible to be on a Practice Squad at this point? I don't dispute that he could have some value as a Third String QB, but the media attention he'd bring isn't worth the headache for a position that is largely used for developmental purposes.
I meant as the qb who the defense practices against. The backup qb is often that guy. Which is why scrambling backups offer some extra value, bc they can mimic a scrambling qb during the week during practice when teams are implementing their game plan.

I'm not arguing that Tebow isn't worth it. I agree with that. He's not worth it. But he's not worth it because of his distractions. Let's not act like that has nothing to do with why he's not on a roster right now.

If he didn't have any distractions that came with him, I'd be shocked if he wasn't on a roster. That plays a large part of why he isn't.

Even if the guy said he'd play TE I highly doubt anyone would consider him worth the distraction that he brings. Changes positions doesn't mean anything. The Jets didn't even ask him if he wanted to change positions bc they don't want the circus. Period.

The man has enough talent to be on a roster. He's not on a roster bc of idiot fans who want the president to force their team to play sign him. That type of nonsense is why he's not on a roster.

Talent alone, this guy would be on a roster right now.
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the fact that there are other ****** qbs in the league is not demonstrative of the fact that tebow should join them. he'd be, at best, the worst throwing qb in the league (46.5% in an offense that primarily featured screen passes, and very few downfield passes is *pathetic*). he's significantly worse, in actual games, than any other qb mentioned so far.

further, it's entertaining that we still need to give tebow a chance, meanwhile harrell is mocked for sucking in spite of never having gotten a chance. where's his bandwagon? oh, right.

if tebow weren't a qb, he'd be on a roster. period. the fact that he refuses to play something else is why he's not. all the pretense in the world won't change his inability to throw the football.
I disagree. I don't think there is a spot for him at any position. TE? Can't catch. RB? can't catch and too slow. Personal Punt protector? I guess that might work. But I've never heard of a specialist at that position.
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TEBOW!

Sorry Tim. I tried. You're on your own buddy. Try to throw a football and report back.
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the best part about graham harrell is that he doesn't create a media circus everywhere he goes
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How about having your franchise focus on actually getting some legitimate players instead of banking hopes on a ******* sideshow. Team will get wins?
It has nothing to do with Jaguars fans, dumbass. The petition was started by some guy in New Jersey who has a boner for Tebow.
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It has nothing to do with Jaguars fans, dumbass. The petition was started by some guy in New Jersey who has a boner for Tebow.
A boner for Tebow and Jesus. At this point though it is hard to tell the difference between the two.
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If your starting QB sucks, then yeah signing Tebow is a distraction. If your starting QB is a stud, everyone accepts that Tebow is only there to back him up.

Only the Kyle Orton/Mark Sanchez apologists of the world think signing Tebow is a distraction.
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If your starting QB sucks, then yeah signing Tebow is a distraction. If your starting QB is a stud, everyone accepts that Tebow is only there to back him up.

Only the Kyle Orton/Mark Sanchez apologists of the world think signing Tebow is a distraction.
With how inconsistent Tony Romo is he would be a huge distraction in Dallas. Romo isn't an elite QB but he doesn't suck either. Ironically enough Dallas wouldn't be the worst spot for him but the media circus makes it impossible.

I can't think of a worse combination than ESPN + Tebow + Dallas for a total shitstorm of craziness.
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Tebow is the acid test for a franchise. If after 8 games fans are calling for him to go in over the incumbent starter, your team really didn't have a good QB in the first place before Tebow ever signed.

I don't think Cowboy fans would want Tebow to unseat Romo unless Tony had the worst 5-8 stretch of his career.
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Tebow is the acid test for a franchise. If after 8 games fans are calling for him to go in over the incumbent starter, your team reallt didn't have a good QB in the first place before Tebow ever signed.

I don't think Cowboy fans would want Tebow to unseat Romo unless Tony had the worst 5-8 stretch of his career.
You are incredibly naive if you think that.
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I am a Cowboys fan and Romo hater, I wouldn't want Tebow over Romo but a lot of fans would, especially when ESPN asks the question 10x a week.
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You are incredibly naive if you think that.
You just don't understand because Christian Ponder is your squad's starting QB.

In Minnesota Tebow would be a distraction because it's debatable if Ponder is a better starter than Tebow.

For the rest of the teams in the NFCN, Tebow is strictly a backup and their fans already know this.
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Bears fans were begging for Caleb Hanie to replace Jay Cutler. Caleb. Hanie.
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Bears fans were begging for Caleb Hanie to replace Jay Cutler. Caleb. Hanie.
Because he looked pretty decent in one half against the Packers in the NFCCG
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I am a Cowboys fan and Romo hater, I wouldn't want Tebow over Romo but a lot of fans would, especially when ESPN asks the question 10x a week.
This. There are enough casual fans to say TEBOW JUST WINZ GAMES and ROMO TEH CHOKER! Also I think Skip Bayless would have a super joygasm if Tebow went to the Cowboys.
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Obviously there are some football people behind Tebow but most of his fan base are people that don't know **** about football, they see he wins a few games and love the fact that he thanks god after every completion/touchdown/press conference/second of life, and thats what makes him a good football player to them.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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It has nothing to do with Jaguars fans, dumbass. The petition was started by some guy in New Jersey who has a boner for Tebow.
Oh, personal insults now. LOL you mad. I love when people take issue with the poster instead of the actual post. The irony in your statement is all too glorious. Right because the PFT article said the petition was done by a guy in New Jersey and not a bunch of Jaguars fans. Of course anyone that reads the article is magically supposed to know that.

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it's cool though. i remember when absolutely no one went to bat this hard for vince young, in spite of the fact that he was actually better, and had made progress as a passer. meanwhile, tebow is either too stupid, too lazy, or too terrible to even make incremental improvement. great qualities in a qb.
but Tebow is white.
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