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Old 05-08-2013, 04:03 PM    (permalink
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Wind up delivery? I'm not seeing any problems with his delivery. When I think wind up delivery, Byron Leftwich immediately comes to mind and Nassib was probably the best example of it this past year.

I think it'll be Manziel and with him I think there are some serious nits to pick.
No you're right on his release. Just seems like sometimes he's lazy with it and it takes longer than it needs to come out. Coincidentally, Leftwich was the guy that came to mind when I first saw Bridgewater.
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Bridgewater of course. I'll start. He takes way too many sacks and has a wind up delivery.
Windup? Huh? He holds the ball pretty close to his head during his delivery. Not sure what you're talking about.

Guys like Jimmy Clausen, Brock Osweiler, Kevin Hogan, Brett Hundley, and Chuckie Keeton are what I would describe as "windup" deliveries:





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Going with AJ McCarron for reasons already stated by others. Even if he goes absolutely bonkers this year, I could still see him getting the Matt Barkley treatment during the pre draft process.
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I don't know if there was a prospect that was really nitpicked this past draft season. Gun to my head, I'm saying Geno Smith.

This year, I'm going with either Johnny Manziel or Jadeveon Clowney. Nitpicking to me is picking out the smallest weaknesses either A) because they're there or B) because the player gets so much attention.
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It'll be Clowney because he's been on everyone's radar for so long. A la Oher.
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It'll be Clowney because he's been on everyone's radar for so long. A la Oher.
There is no one who can overtake Clowney, so he can't be over nit picked to the point where a less talented player over takes him.
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A couple names come to mind. I don't think Manziel will declare after next season. It is going to be QB heavy draft so if he was wise he would wait to 2015 and make more money. Alabama QB Aj McCarron because he played on a talented team he reminds me of all the USC QB's who were also usually surrounded by talent as well. I don't think Clowney will be a target of this however because of his immense potential. Even if he was to get hurt or production drops he will still be the #1 overall pick.
Manziel is already talking like he's done after this year. It also doesn't matter how strong this years QB crop is because some team will trade up to the top of the draft to take him. Might as well start nit picking him.
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Manziel is already talking like he's done after this year. It also doesn't matter how strong this years QB crop is because some team will trade up to the top of the draft to take him. Might as well start nit picking him.
Plus, almost every year we say "next year is a stronger QB class." By December, we'll be saying "Manziel should come out because 2015 is a better QB class." In 2015, we'll be hyping the 2016 QBs.
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I'm gonna say Marquise Lee. His stats are going to go down and I can see him turning in less-than-predicted measurables. I said in another thread I think he's a lot like Reggie Wayne (30th overall in his draft year), and since there are people talking like he's a top-5 pick next year, he's probably going to have the look of a player whose "stocked dropped" as he settles into his proper draft slot. His reputation is riding on his numbers and the visibility of his program. And his fans will inevitably call it "nit-picking."

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He didn't decide to go back to school. He was a true sophomore last year and wasn't allowed to declare.
Yes but there were a lot of people who were saying he should have sat this year out to keep himself healthy
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I'll never understand the "but he had good weapons!!" argument. It makes no sense, but apparently that was an issue with his game. He wanted to change his agent and it turns into a massive story about how he isn't responsible for his actions. He isn't happy when teams aren't picking him so he's immature and not a leader. Things like that which weren't happening to other prospects.

Robert Woods spoke out against USC after he left and so did Matt Barkley. If Geno Smith did that he would've been nit picked to death.
Correct. And then people here respond with "if there's smoke there's fire." If this guy indeed was the first QB taken, the criticism would have waned considerably because everyone wants to sound smart.
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Windup? Huh? He holds the ball pretty close to his head during his delivery. Not sure what you're talking about.

Guys like Jimmy Clausen, Brock Osweiler, Kevin Hogan, Brett Hundley, and Chuckie Keeton are what I would describe as "windup" deliveries:
I overstated. He can snap off a quick delivery at times. When I first looked at him, it seemed like he was being too deliberate with his aiming, from cocking it to release, but that's the exception not the norm. I guess I was reaching for an explanation for all the sacks.
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I overstated. He can snap off a quick delivery at times. When I first looked at him, it seemed like he was being too deliberate with his aiming, from cocking it to release, but that's the exception not the norm. I guess I was reaching for an explanation for all the sacks.
The way I see it, he's just very calm and composed during his delivery that he never rushes any of his throws.
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I'd have to go with QB, because of the nature of the position. And I'm going to go with Logan Thomas as this years' Landry Jones. He's in a position where even if he improves dramatically, the inertia of the existing group think on his skills is going to drown out any meaningful analysis of his game in the coming year.

Face it, we're pretty lazy as a species. There will be enough people who simply won't look at his tape in 2014 at all and still give amateur analysis based on his failings of 2011/12. And because he (rightly) isn't a top caliber QB prospect going into 2013 -- we really aren't very likely to look at this years' tape too hard.

But we'll voice our leftover opinions from 2012 all the same.
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LOL. Imagine if Logan Thomas has a HUGE bounce back season in 2013. In contention for the ACC title, player of the year in the conference, 3500+yard passing, 65% completions, 28+ TDs.

Thomas has the tools and the physical comparisons to Cam Newton aren't that far off, but it will be really hard for me to get the taste of the 2012 season out of my mouth for him.
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LOL. Imagine if Logan Thomas has a HUGE bounce back season in 2013. In contention for the ACC title, player of the year in the conference, 3500+yard passing, 65% completions, 28+ TDs.

Thomas has the tools and the physical comparisons to Cam Newton aren't that far off, but it will be really hard for me to get the taste of the 2012 season out of my mouth for him.
By no means writing off his bad play, but.... Marcus Davis was such a terrible disappointment in that offense as the supposed #1 WR and playmaker, I think it was a key contributor. Reminds me of the criticism layed on Tannehill on his 11' play trying to throw to Jeff Fuller.
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