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Old 05-12-2013, 03:30 PM    (permalink
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I completely agree. There are a hand full of guys that could emerge to be the top QB. It is going to come down to who has a good year and how well they perform at combines and pro days. I think Bridewater is the front runner at this point with Boyd behind him. There are a few guys that could be in that top 5 range if they decide to come out. I think David Fales could be the one surprise guy. The only big weakness I see with him is he doesnt have the arm for the deep ball. I hear people knock him for his arm strength but he makes all the intermediate throws with zip on them. I also like Aaron Murray a lot. He reminds me of drew brees. I actually think he will emerge as the top QB when its all said and done.
To me Teddy Bridgewater is an elite prospect. The rest of the guys are solid, guys like Murray, Boyd, McCarron, Fales and Morris (as far as seniors are concerned) and are either already in the first round conversation or have the potential to be come the end of next season. Right now my favorite senior is probably Murray as well, I'm not totally crazy about Boyd and even though I like Fales I don't see a 1st round qb from a measurable stand point, but he just has a great feel for the game. Morris is my darkhorse because I like what I've seen so far. Throw in potential underclassmen like Manziel, Mariota, Hundley and Bortles and you got nearly 10 solid prospects.
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The most important thing about Blake Bortles is this.
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The most important thing about Blake Bortles is this.
Don't even have to click the link to assume you are talking about his big breasted girl friend. I actually saw her at a bar once. They didn't look to bad in person either.
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He's not saying that he doesn't have talent but the reality of the game now is that there is a lot of stock put into level on competition when evaluating prospects. He may have talent and dominate but he won't be able to show that against the highest competition until the Senior Bowl and all star games because of the limitations of his conference. No fault of his own, really. He could become the best QB in the class, but he won't be rated first on any team big boards.
Eric Fisher shows that in the post season, the level of cvompetition can be overcome if you have the talent, but don't expect a lot hype about him just yet.
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Top 5
1) Bridgewater
2) Mariota

Top 15
3) Manziel
4) Boyd

First Round
5) AJ McCarron

Second Round
6) David Fales
7) Logan Thomas

Third Round
8) Derek Carr

Fourth Round
9) Zach Mettenberger
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Top 5
1) Bridgewater
2) Mariota

Top 15
3) Manziel
4) Boyd

First Round
5) AJ McCarron

Second Round
6) David Fales
7) Logan Thomas

Third Round
8) Derek Carr

Fourth Round
9) Zach Mettenberger
10) Braxton Miller
Miller won't come out if he's a 4th Rounder.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
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South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
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Well, the first analysis of the QB crop on NFL.com suggests it is a solid QB crop at least to start the season but notes that Manziel has a below average pro arm and won't be a high pick by the pros, just a great college QB.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...atch-this-fall
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Does Braxton Miller have a shot at being an NFL QB over the likes of Johnny Manziel?
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South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
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Does Braxton Miller have a shot at being an NFL QB over the likes of Johnny Manziel?
Urban Meyer does not develop QBs for the next level. But I won't say Miller has no shot to be an NFL QB.
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Urban Meyer does not develop QBs for the next level. But I won't say Miller has no shot to be an NFL QB.
I believe Miller will play well this season as he did last. No matter how well he plays, I don't think he will come out early because he will have so much to prove as not being a run first QB.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
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South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
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I believe Miller will play well this season as he did last. No matter how well he plays, I don't think he will come out early because he will have so much to prove as not being a run first QB.
Teams are going to be weary of Urban QBs for awhile after Smith and Tebow. Miller could succeed in the NFL but his predecessors taint his stock.
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Teams are going to be weary of Urban QBs for awhile after Smith and Tebow. Miller could succeed in the NFL but his predecessors taint his stock.
1 thing about it, I'm taking Miller over Manziel in any draft.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
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1 thing about it, I'm taking Miller over Manziel in any draft.

I would agree with that.
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Watch out for Zach Mettenberger if he gets some confidence under Miles, he definitely has the potential to move up with a solid last season. Mind you, Miles tends to be a QB killer but you never know and Zach has a lot going for him.
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Watch out for Zach Mettenberger if he gets some confidence under Miles, he definitely has the potential to move up with a solid last season. Mind you, Miles tends to be a QB killer but you never know and Zach has a lot going for him.
Zach played very well and had a breakout game against Alabama last year, but outside of that he had an underwhelming season. He has the skill set you want to see when projecting a quarterback to the NFL, but at this point he's more about the tools than what he's done on the field. I can't say that I'm overly optimistic this year is gonna be much different than last but he's a prospect I want to like.
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Zach played very well and had a breakout game against Alabama last year, but outside of that he had an underwhelming season. He has the skill set you want to see when projecting a quarterback to the NFL, but at this point he's more about the tools than what he's done on the field. I can't say that I'm overly optimistic this year is gonna be much different than last but he's a prospect I want to like.
Yep. Mettenberger is one of the few very intriguing prospects at the QB positions. Has the skill set of an NFL Starter. However, it just seems like he lacks the poise, and seems indecisive back there. Not very comfortable outside the Alabama game.

He can improve a lot because the skill set is there. I know I'll watch his developmetn closely.
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1 thing about it, I'm taking Miller over Manziel in any draft.

I'm curious why you would say this??
I understand not liking Manziel as a pro prospect, but how is Miller a better QB than Manziel??
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I'm curious why you would say this??
I understand not liking Manziel as a pro prospect, but how is Miller a better QB than Manziel??
He appears to be a better dual-threat and on top of it he got Manziel by an inch or two.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
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South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
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Casey Pachall, biased or not is a very talented QB. He's hopefully fixed his off the field problems, enough for Coach P to bring him back and he's a pretty strict man.
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Casey Pachall, biased or not is a very talented QB. He's hopefully fixed his off the field problems, enough for Coach P to bring him back and he's a pretty strict man.
Pachall will have plenty to prove to NFL teams off the field and that'll be in addition to any questions they may have of his game on the field. Ryan Mallett and Tyler Bray are two terrific examples of players with plus skills when translating a QB to the NFL, but their character concerns help contribute to them being pushed down far more than many thought.
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Where Pachall goes will almost exclusively be determined by a team's evaluation of his character. Personally, I'm not sure that he's Tyler Bray, but he's not nearly as clean as Mallett was coming out; with guys like Bray and Pachall, the character issues are well-documented, whereas with Mallett it tended to be more of a rumor (although maybe teams had more definite knowledge than us.)
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Here are the names who scouts have as the highest rated entering the year (there are 3 non FBS QBs being considered as draftable prospects as well)

A.J. McCarron Alabama
Tajh Boyd Clemson
Derek Carr Fresno State
Aaron Murray Georgia
Zach Mettenberger LSU
Stephen Morris Miami
Tyler Russell Mississippi State
Kain Colter Northwestern
Tom Savage Pittsburgh
David Fales San Jose State
Connor Shaw South Carolina
Casey Pachall TCU
Logan Thomas Virginia Tech
Keith Price Washington
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Here are the names who scouts have as the highest rated entering the year (there are 3 non FBS QBs being considered as draftable prospects as well)

A.J. McCarron Alabama
Tajh Boyd Clemson
Derek Carr Fresno State
Aaron Murray Georgia
Zach Mettenberger LSU
Stephen Morris Miami
Tyler Russell Mississippi State
Kain Colter Northwestern
Tom Savage Pittsburgh
David Fales San Jose State
Connor Shaw South Carolina
Casey Pachall TCU
Logan Thomas Virginia Tech
Keith Price Washington
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Here are the names who scouts have as the highest rated entering the year (there are 3 non FBS QBs being considered as draftable prospects as well)

A.J. McCarron Alabama
Tajh Boyd Clemson
Derek Carr Fresno State
Aaron Murray Georgia
Zach Mettenberger LSU
Stephen Morris Miami
Tyler Russell Mississippi State
Kain Colter Northwestern
Tom Savage Pittsburgh
David Fales San Jose State
Connor Shaw South Carolina
Casey Pachall TCU
Logan Thomas Virginia Tech
Keith Price Washington
So Jeff Mathews is only considered draftable right now?

Also, who is the other non-FBS QB? I imagine one of the two is Kurt Hess. Just not sure who the other is.
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