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Old 05-14-2013, 09:26 PM    (permalink
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Are you just determined to be wrong about this?
You want to tell me Bill Self doesn't get outcoached in the post-season?? Don't even try.

I've been to Kansas before. They don't expect anything but Final Fours for their teams and with the talent they bring in year after year, I don't blame them.

Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Duke ....they don't get excited over Elite 8 when they have talent out of the ass.

Go play intramurals bro : )
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If they don't expect anything but final fours every year they're morons, because 4 teams out of like 300 make it. An elite 8 is a good year.
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If they don't expect anything but final fours every year they're morons, because 4 teams out of like 300 make it. An elite 8 is a good year.
You act like you don't understand crazied basketball traditions.

Hell yeah- Elite 8 is awesome...for other schools that don't expect to win.
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Why are we basing coaching evaluations on the delusions of idiot fanbases? They can think whatever they want, it doesn't change the fact that making the Elite 8 isn't a wasted season.
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You want to tell me Bill Self doesn't get outcoached in the post-season?? Don't even try.

I've been to Kansas before. They don't expect anything but Final Fours for their teams and with the talent they bring in year after year, I don't blame them.

Kansas, Kentucky, UNC, Duke ....they don't get excited over Elite 8 when they have talent out of the ass.

Go play intramurals bro : )
Duke has been to the Final Four twice since 2003. North Carolina has been there 3 times. Kentucky has been there twice.

Just stop.
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^^ For Yo

Put it this way - Sweet 16 this season with that team? Failure. That was Bill Self getting completely outcoached at the end of that game. I'll leave it at that.


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Duke has been to the Final Four twice since 2003. North Carolina has been there 3 times. Kentucky has been there twice.

Just stop.
You don't get it. At All.

You keep thinking Bill Self is a top coach.
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He gets it perfectly well, and his post pretty much just summed it up. If you need to get to a final four to have a successful season then even the best programs in the country are complete failures 80-90% in your eyes.
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You don't get it. At All.

You keep thinking Bill Self is a top coach.
You're right. Unless your team makes it to the Final Four every single year, you are a terrible basketball coach. Actually, **** that. Why didn't he coach his team to an undefeated season every year? Bum.
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He gets it perfectly well, and his post pretty much just summed it up. If you need to get to a final four to have a successful season then even the best programs in the country are complete failures 80-90% in your eyes.
You're right. Bill Self is a terrific coach.

You got it.

If you think that those years were they went to the elite 8 with the talent they had on those teams was looked at as successful, then I don't know what to tell you man.

The team he had this year reaching the sweet 16 and bowing out to Michigan was a success. Winner.
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You're right. Bill Self is a terrific coach.

You got it.
Are you going to actually make an argument?
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Since Bill Self took over at Kansas he has the same number of Final Fours as Coach K and Billy Donovan. In the same period he has one more than Jim Boeheim and one less than Roy Williams, Jim Calhoun, Rick Pitino, John Calipari, and Tom Izzo.
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Are you going to actually make an argument?
If you think that those years were they went to the elite 8 with the talent they had on those teams was looked at as successful, then I don't know what to tell you man.

The team he had this year reaching the sweet 16 and bowing out to Michigan was a success. Winner.

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Since Bill Self took over at Kansas he has the same number of Final Fours as Coach K and Billy Donovan. In the same period he has one more than Jim Boeheim and one less than Roy Williams, Jim Calhoun, Rick Pitino, John Calipari, and Tom Izzo.

What a complete failure.
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If you think that those years were they went to the elite 8 with the talent they had on those teams was looked at as successful, then I don't know what to tell you man.

The team he had this year reaching the sweet 16 and bowing out to Michigan was a success. Winner.

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So he lost to a team that almost won the national title. Why don't they just fire him now?

He won a national title 5 years ago, that's more recent than almost every coach in the country.
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So he lost to a team that almost won the national title. Why don't they just fire him now?

He won a national title 5 years ago, that's more recent than almost every coach in the country.
So his team dismantling in the final 2 minutes is completely excusable because that team went on to the National Championship.
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You're right. Bill Self is a terrific coach.

You got it.

If you think that those years were they went to the elite 8 with the talent they had on those teams was looked at as successful, then I don't know what to tell you man.

The team he had this year reaching the sweet 16 and bowing out to Michigan was a success. Winner.
Well, Michigan made the title game and was the top team at one point during the year. It's not like it is a complete shame to lose to that team. Winning six games in a row against the top teams in the nation isn't easy. You're delusional if you think otherwise.
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You're right. Bill Self is a terrific coach.

You got it.

If you think that those years were they went to the elite 8 with the talent they had on those teams was looked at as successful, then I don't know what to tell you man.

The team he had this year reaching the sweet 16 and bowing out to Michigan was a success. Winner.
You can't put every win and loss on a coach. Kansas lost to Michigan because of Elijah Johnson, not because of Bill Self. There also isn't anything wrong with losing to an under-seeded Michigan team who went on to play in the championship game.
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You can't put every win and loss on a coach. Kansas lost to Michigan because of Elijah Johnson, not because of Bill Self. There also isn't anything wrong with losing to an under-seeded Michigan team who went on to play in the championship game.
You think Pitino, Boheim, etc. would have let his team jack up 3's when they up 14 points with few minutes left in the game??
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So his team dismantling in the final 2 minutes is completely excusable because that team went on to the National Championship.

Ok.
So is John Calipari the worst coach evar because Memphis collapsed when Self's team beat him to win the national title?

And are you going to respond to P-L's post comparing him to other top coaches? Because it kills any argument you think you have here.
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Never.

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So is John Calipari the worst coach evar because Memphis collapsed when Self's team beat him to win the national title?

And are you going to respond to P-L's post at some point? Because it kills any argument you think you have here.
Calipari didn't get outcoached. His kids couldn't hit FT's.
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Calipari didn't get outcoached. His kids couldn't hit FT's.
How very convenient.
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