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Old 05-15-2013, 01:41 PM    (permalink
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Davin Joseph and Carl Nicks will be the best guard duo in the league this year.
Davin Joseph is only the 5th best guard in his own division. He's the Maurkice Pouncey of the NFC South.
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I think it just depends how you look at the argument, I can see it both ways. The Falcons clearly are better on the top 2 on the depth chart, I don't think anyone really even comes close. But when you get down to 3rd, a WR that is still going to catch a ton of balls and be out there a ton, then I think it's clearly got to be Denver
And considering how much teams run with 3 WRs now days, I read somewhere the Broncos ran upwards of 70% of their plays out of the 3 WR set you cant just say these 2 WRs are better than those 2 WRs if the team uses 3 WRs almost all the time.
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Davin Joseph is only the 5th best guard in his own division. He's the Maurkice Pouncey of the NFC South.
Some sort of backhanded compliment..... but I'll say this.


I'd argue he's Top 4 in his own division, where two of those teams have 2 of the top 3 interior OL in the league. And in the league, I think he's top 15. Nicks is top 5. And Zuttah, he's also top 15. Yeah, health is the issue, but when they are on the field, that group is very good. I will also say this. Jeremy Trueblood put alot of pressure on Joseph with his lapses outside, and Josh Freeman makes this OL look worse than it should be. With a QB like Brees or Ryan (with their release and smarts) on this team, easily..... easily this question is not a question.


Freeman even makes the waterboy worse.



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Ravens have a decent argument at RB and I firmly think we have OLB.
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I'm not overly impressed with the Giants or Broncos. They are very solid, but I don't think they're top 5
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The Broncos do not deserve to be on this list. First of all the center position doesn't have a clearcut starter: Koppen wasn't re-signed, JD Walton is coming from a season ending injury and wasn't really good to begin with and Phillip Blake (2nd string) is a 2nd year player with zero starting expierence.

LG Zane Beadles is a decent starter at best, and the best of the bunch is newly signed Louis Vazquez with Kupper most likely being released due to a large contract and injury issues.
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Brothgar ranks the QB situations in the NFL. I'm ranking this as far as total QB talent. Yes Tom Brady > Matt Stafford but Shaun Hill >> Ryan Mallett. Yes Peyton Manning >>> Tony Romo but Kyle Orton >>>>>>> Brock Osweiller. I will address challenges to my thoughts a few were basically tied but I had to go one way or another.

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13. San Francisco
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16. Chicago
17. Miami
18. Cincinnati
19. Seattle
20. St. Louis
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Locker Time and Fitzmagic at 30? For why?
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Because Locker is terrible, mainly.
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Because Locker and Fitzmagic are terrible, mainly.
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Better than Ponder/Cassel.
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Better than Ponder/Cassel.
Yeah but that's like being the tallest midget.

A pairing of Ponder and Cassell is two guys who won't lose you games but won't win you games either, which is actually fine for Minnesota.

A pairing of Locker and Fitzpatrick is going to win you some games but is just as likely to lose you games you should win.
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Still better than the Browns, Bills and Vikings
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I will take Geno Atkins at DT with whatever else we run out there.
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They're not 30th, though. Rookies paired with Mark Sanchez and Kevin Kolb are ranked higher.
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The Broncos do not deserve to be on this list. First of all the center position doesn't have a clearcut starter: Koppen wasn't re-signed, JD Walton is coming from a season ending injury and wasn't really good to begin with and Phillip Blake (2nd string) is a 2nd year player with zero starting expierence.

LG Zane Beadles is a decent starter at best, and the best of the bunch is newly signed Louis Vazquez with Kupper most likely being released due to a large contract and injury issues.


Ok. You convinced me.

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Locker Time and Fitzmagic at 30? For why?
I admit I was a little hard on them I wouldn't put them behind Palmer although I think Drew Stanton is rather under rated and John Skelton is a very decent #3. As for the Jets I like Geno more than Jake Locker. As far as Minnesota Ponder was better statistically and his team won more games so its hard to rank Locker above him.
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The Eagles might have one of the best TE trios. Brent Celek, Zach Ertz and James Casey are all good players, although Ertz has yet to play a down in the NFL. I think they might win out on depth; skill, not so much.

Eagles are also very crowded at QB. Vick, Barkley, Foles and Dixon.
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I admit I was a little hard on them I wouldn't put them behind Palmer although I think Drew Stanton is rather under rated and John Skelton is a very decent #3. As for the Jets I like Geno more than Jake Locker. As far as Minnesota Ponder was better statistically and his team won more games so its hard to rank Locker above him.
You mean John Skelton of the Cincinnati Bengals?
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(hon mention)

QB - Packers (NE)
HB - Vikings (SF)
WR - Falcons (DEN)
TE - Patriots (NO)
OL - 49ers (DEN)

DE - Texans (MIN)
DT - Lions (CIN)
ILB - 49ers (HOU)
OLB - Broncos (SF)
CB - Seahawks (GB)
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CC & Dockett = Watt & Smith
def thought about the Cards at DE...But no, CC is not in the same stratosphere as Watt, who is coming off possibly the most dominant season Ive ever seen from a defender at any position. Id take Dockett over Smith, but not by that much.
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def thought about the Cards at DE...But no, CC is not in the same stratosphere as Watt, who is coming off possibly the most dominant season Ive ever seen from a defender at any position. Id take Dockett over Smith, but not by that much.
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I think the balance, talent, and scheme of the Texans offense makes runningbacks jobs much easier. Not trying to discredit Foster or Tate, as both are very talented backs. I'm gonna give the Bills some love.

IMO, a healthy Fred Jackson and CJ Spiller will be the best RB tandem in the NFL. Maybe not most productive, but talented and the duo I'd want most on my team.
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