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Old 05-14-2013, 01:22 PM    (permalink
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The quality of the reps matter though. Like if all your reps are 3rd string bc you can't squeeze any 2nd string reps in there, then that matters.

Especially since defenses react to offense, i think reps for defense are important bc the mental reps of reacting to certain keys is critical.

NYG is probably clenching his teeth right now reading this.
No, not at all. Quality matters but in most cases you are kind of screwed. What you need is for a player working with scrubs or fodder around him to play at a level that makes him stand out. Even then coaches can miss it, but it's on tape for other teams to see.

David Carr got his brains beat our behind a poor offensive line, yet the irony was in pre season he played with the 2s and sometime 3s where the OL was very bad. LOL. Poor guy goes from 1st team OL guys who were bad in Houston to a better overall team, but... playing behind scrubs and of course, god his brains beaten out. It doesn't quite help your confidence or game when that happens.

So reps are key, but sometimes it's a numbers game, and coaches want to see someone with more reps. If you are tying to make the team and you are playing with scrubs, then that's too bad for you. That's just the way it is. Now, don't quit! if you show talent, some other team will pick you up.

This applies to both sides of the ball. You need to be able to show your stuff, but the game or chances might be rigged to go against you from the start. That's the way this industry is across the board. Trust me on that. It's an unfair industry top to bottom. Some people may get 5 chances, others may not even get a fair 1st chance.
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Reps are more important these days because of limited practice time. I do agree with BBD on that.
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Think about it guys. You are asking for ALOT from a bunch of unproven players in order for our defense to be at an elite level. Think about how many ifs need to fall into place for us to be good. Its just an unrealistic expectation.

Our LB core is an absolute joke. The only LB on the roster worth a damn is JWill. Everyone else is trash. Connor? He's trash. And he can't stay healthy. Rivers? If he gets a papercut he's on IR. Herzlich? Love the guy, but he has a damn metal rod in his leg people. Paysinger? Good guy, but as JAG as they come.

Our linebackers are absolute garbage!

Ok, so our DL could be good. I'll give them that. We added bulk inside vs the run, and if Moore and Tracy step up we might have something there.

But then look at our secondary. It's also mediocre as hell. Do you honestly expect all of these pieces to sort themselves out? You're being unrealistic if you are.

Our back 7 is extremely mediocre. That's just the truth. You're relying on our front 4 to win on every snap. That's extremely unrealistic. This defense is not going to be good.
We have relied on unproven players in the past and that turned out ok.

LB is a position where you don't always need elite guys. Having said that we have guys who could be very good if they can stay healthy.

I do think this can be a solid defence this year (I am not expecting it to be a top 5 unit or anything). Sure it is relying on players to improve and develop, but we also have good competition at positions, so lets see how they go.
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I wish they had OTAs after this rookie mini camp. This way it's a smooth transition. Now I have to wait a week! A weeeeekkk! What the heck?!
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Sounds like we're finally close to a deal with Cruz. Sounds like he realized he needs to come down a bit from his original asking price.
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It's about time. Once I realized no one was going to sign him I felt a lot more comfortable. Neither side wants him to leave.

Now we gotta figure out how to lock up Nicks for cheap and extend Eli and JPP.
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Eli extension will be easy. Nicks and JPP will be tricky. Nicks because of the injury and JPP because he's a god damn monster.
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The scary thing is, JPP and Eli could very well tie up 50% of our yearly cap with their 2 salaries alone.

Which would put extra stress on us to really nail our draft picks and have a lot of players on cheap salary.
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Eli isn't going to get as much as he's making now because he's starting to get out of his prime. I don't think it's going to be hard to get a good deal on him.

JPP I have no idea.
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Na man, Eli is looking at 25 mill a year. Look at what Peyton got.

Mario got like 90 million. JPP is gonna get a similar deal, maybe even more.
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We would be crazy to give JPP 90 million until he has another season like he had in 2011. Put me down in the boat of someone who is worried about JPP. I wouldn't give him any big money until he repeats a year like that. Or at least comes close to it.

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I'm going with the assumption that he will, which is why I projected that salary.

JPP will be fine. I wouldn't worry about him.
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Do you guys think he played better his rookie year or last year? 2011 might be the crown jewel season of his career.
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Last year. Easily. JPP was a monster out there, he just didn't rack up sacks.

But he had pressures, was great run stuffer, caused turnovers, he did everything but get the sacks.

I don't like PFF, but for what it's worth, he was their 3rd rated DE in 2012.
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Eli will get a lot. He won another SB on this contract term and more pro bowls. Plus he has Tom Condon as an agent. If Romo and Flacco got those contracts that's the area Eli begins his negotiations.
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Really hope we get Cruz for a reasonable deal. He will get his money here in NY, dude is already a huge media star and will get money outside of football. Him taking a little less than he originally wanted and us having money for all our upcoming big name FAs would be huge.
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I think Cruz will be resigned, both sides seem in the same ball park. Cruz will get paid quite well. The flip side is that Cruz will have plenty of opportunity to earn substantial money through endorsements.

I get the feeling that we are close to see a deal done, if we are really lucky, it might even be in time for the first OTAs.
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It would be interesting to see if we could sign Charles Woodson, he would be a useful addition in the Sam Madison kind of role.
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For you guys who paid more attention to FA, did we do any sniffing around Eric Winston? I'm baffled how he's still unsigned and if we can make the room I'd love to give him a year with us. Stick him opposite Beatty and let Pugh, Baas and Snee boss the inside and we'd have a very good OL to open holes and get out on the edge for Wilson to burst pass.
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For you guys who paid more attention to FA, did we do any sniffing around Eric Winston? I'm baffled how he's still unsigned and if we can make the room I'd love to give him a year with us. Stick him opposite Beatty and let Pugh, Baas and Snee boss the inside and we'd have a very good OL to open holes and get out on the edge for Wilson to burst pass.
No sniff at all.
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I'm curious about our level of interest in Dwight Freeney. Is it Freeney wanting us but we're really not interested, or is the feeling mutual but they can't agree on a price?

If we do look at Freeney, I think that's a sign that the team doesn't view Tracy or Ojomo as long term answers at DE.
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He signed with the Chargers yesterday. He wanted to come here but we don't have enough money for him.
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My question is, how strong was our interest? Bc that's an indication to me of how we view Tracy and Ojomo.

If the interest was lukewarm, then they feel we might have something in 1 of those 2 guys, if not both. If it was strong, that tells me they don't think either of them are really anything special.
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Nevermind about the Chargers thing. I misread something yesterday I guess.
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My question is, how strong was our interest? Bc that's an indication to me of how we view Tracy and Ojomo.

If the interest was lukewarm, then they feel we might have something in 1 of those 2 guys, if not both. If it was strong, that tells me they don't think either of them are really anything special.
I don't think it's a referendum on our younger guys if we do have interest. Freeney is a proven veteran and we don't know what the other players are. They can just want a guarantee to know what they'll be getting from the DL.
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