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Old 05-18-2013, 11:07 AM    (permalink
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I can't wait to boo the **** out of Zeller this year. Nothing will ever top Hansbrough (he almost punched a high schooler for flipping his hat off), but Zeller should be pretty solid.
Why, exactly?
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Old 05-18-2013, 11:08 AM    (permalink
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Why, exactly?
Why I want to boo Zeller? Because it is fun and booing white big men is just what you do at the draft.

And Mike Conley, he also got it really bad.
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I don't know if I want to go with you anymore.
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I don't know if I want to go with you anymore.
Same. But, yeah, I'm pretty sure they don't give you a ticket unless you sign an agreement to boo all white American guys over 6'9.
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If I was within a days drive I would so be there.
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Old 05-18-2013, 03:21 PM    (permalink
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Gobert = McGee?

Gobert: 7' 2'' (w/ shoes), 238 lbs., 7' 8.5'' wingpspan, 9' 7'' standing reach, 3.57 sprint, 12.85 lane agility, 25 in. no step vert, 29 in max vert

McGee: 7' 0" (w/ shoes), 241 lbs., 7' 6" (wingspan), 9' 6.5" standing reach, 3.25 sprint, 12.75 lane agility, 27 in. no step vert, 32.5 in. max vert

McGee is a bit more athletic, although not drastically, but I think its safe to assume that Gobert doesn't quite reach McGee level retardation.
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Old 05-19-2013, 03:29 PM    (permalink
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Lottery Mock

1. Orlando :: Ben McLemore - SG - Kansas
2. Charlotte :: Nerlens Noel - PF - Kentucky
3. Cleveland :: Otto Porter - SF - Georgetown
4. Phoenix :: Victor Oladipo - SG - Indiana
5. New Orleans :: Cody Zeller - PF - Indiana
6. Sacramento :: Trey Burke - PG - Michigan
7. Detroit :: Anthony Bennett - SF - UNLV
8. Washington :: Alex Len - C - Maryland
9. Minnesota :: CJ McCollum - G - Lehigh
10. Portland :: Rudy Gobert - C - France
11. Philadelphia :: Shabazz Muhammad - G/F - UCLA
12. Oklahoma City :: Kelly Olynyk - F/C - Gonzaga
13. Dallas :: Dennis Schroeder - PG - Germany
14. Utah :: Tim Hardaway Jr. - SG - Michigan
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I dig it except for Hardaway being in the lottery.
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Old 05-19-2013, 04:01 PM    (permalink
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I don't want Anthony Bennett.
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I could see Bennett falling. He's very skilled and talented, but he's only 6'7" and is much more of a PF than a SF at this point. Plus there are some questions about effort and things like that. I just find it hard to see a 6'7" PF, who isn't flawless, going top 5 like some are projecting.
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doing a mock with the nba lottery machine if Cleveland got the #1 pick do they take Noel?
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Think any teams will want to trade up?
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looked this up because I couldn't remember a team ever trading the #1 pick the last time it happened on draft day was
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so it's probably not likely
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doing a mock with the nba lottery machine if Cleveland got the #1 pick do they take Noel?
They should. Especially considering Kyrie is a turnstile.
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I don't know man. A front court of Noel/Tristan would be horribad for offensive production.
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I don't know man. A front court of Noel/Tristan would be horribad for offensive production.
So? **** Tristan Thompson. If you think Noel is the best player in the draft then you have to take him. You can't over think it. In the grand scheme of things, Tristan Thompson is a horrific reason to pass on the guy you consider the best in the draft.
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Lol no, i didn't say you don't take him because of Tristan Thompson. But you'd be starting two raw guys offensively in the post. And i'm not even that sold on Noel, to be honest.
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Lol no, i didn't say you don't take him because of Tristan Thompson. But you'd be starting two raw guys offensively in the post. And i'm not even that sold on Noel, to be honest.
Yeah, the offense would be brutal, but if you're at #1 then you just take whoever you think is the best player. There are very few exceptions to that rule.
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So? **** Tristan Thompson. If you think Noel is the best player in the draft then you have to take him. You can't over think it. In the grand scheme of things, Tristan Thompson is a horrific reason to pass on the guy you consider the best in the draft.
Tristan is a good player. I do not think Tristan/Noel would be THAT bad on offense.
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Yeah, the offense would be brutal, but if you're at #1 then you just take whoever you think is the best player. There are very few exceptions to that rule.
Yup. You can kinda get away with it in the NFL sometimes but in the NBA Draft you DO NOT REACH early.

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And i'm not even that sold on Noel, to be honest.
I really want to like him as much as everybody else, I really do. He's a unique player but he's just so useless offensively at anything other than alley-oops and putbacks. And even defensively, is he Ibaka 2.0 in that he'll rack up blocks and be a great help-side defender but will struggle with on ball defense in the low block?
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Noel forced a ton of pressure on defenders as well. He did have 2.1 steals per game too, combine that with 4.4 blocks and you have obscene dominance. Ben Wallace 2.0.
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Noel forced a ton of pressure on defenders as well. He did have 2.1 steals per game too, combine that with 4.4 blocks and you have obscene dominance. Ben Wallace 2.0.
I've seen you make the comp several times but the problem I have with it is one of Ben's most valuable assets was that he was so strong and powerful that he could really control the block with his physicality. Strength, power and physicality are all among Noel's biggest weaknesses.
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Lol no, i didn't say you don't take him because of Tristan Thompson. But you'd be starting two raw guys offensively in the post. And i'm not even that sold on Noel, to be honest.
T2 has been quietly improving offensively. If he can develop a few more things (he's still obviously really young) he and Noel could be passable with some time.

I don't see how we could justify taking Porter over him or something; although I am a big Porter fan.
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I've seen you make the comp several times but the problem I have with it is one of Ben's most valuable assets was that he was so strong and powerful that he could really control the block with his physicality. Strength, power and physicality are all among Noel's biggest weaknesses.
Big Ben wasn't a tank at 19 either. Give Noel some time to gain weight.
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Big Ben wasn't a tank at 19 either. Give Noel some time to gain weight.
Big Ben also never had a lower BMI than you.
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