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Old 05-20-2013, 12:07 AM    (permalink
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Naw we aren't because it's expected. They win titles in odd years so I gave Memphis no chance to begin with.
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I want the Heat to play the Spurs so I'm cool with it.
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I'm pretty sure Memphis has "a chance"...
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I'm pretty sure Memphis has "a chance"...
Zach Randolph went all Tyson Chandler today.

Oh and Vogel calling the Heat just another team is amusing.
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I still think Grizz-Spurs will go 7.
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Well considering the Clipps blew them out in game 1 in the 1st rnd, It probably doesn't mean much for the series as a whole.
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They lost to the Thunder in game 1 as well. They just kind of suck in the first games.
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The Spurs lit it up from 3 and won game 1 at home. Far from a back breaker for the Grizz.

I also don't understand the big uproar about Vogel saying the Heat are "just the next team". That's pretty normal coach speak.
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I also don't understand the big uproar about Vogel saying the Heat are "just the next team". That's pretty normal coach speak.
Just normal sports talk in general. Would people rather have him pissing his pants? "OMG we are doing two a days and watching more film because we are playing the mighty Heat"

No...you treat it like another series. Yes, you are playing the defending champs...but you don't change what has got you here.
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I also don't understand the big uproar about Vogel saying the Heat are "just the next team". That's pretty normal coach speak.
Because if LeBron = Offended then Baller = Offended.

Ya dig?
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That just means LeBron's a whiny ***** so....

if Lebron = a whine *****....Baller =
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I don't understand how this is a story at all.

Vogel said they're just another team on the road to winning it all, LeBron said we're a great team.

They both said what they're supposed to.
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I haven't listened to sports radio since the game. I broke my phone after JR Smith shot that 3.

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This was our year. We were supposed to win it all. Then JR had to party with Rhianna, Melo had to hurt his shoulder, Kidd had to suck, and Tyson had to get a bulging disc in his neck and everything went downhill.

I'm with Forenci, JR has to go. He teased me all season and he just doesn't get it. How do you play playoff games hung over? In a contract year? How do you do that?

He's gotta go. But we need a 2nd scorer in the worst way. You can't be a legit title contender in this league unless you have 2 scorers on your team. We have to find a way to get a 2nd scorer.

Maybe we package Chandler in a trade for a 2nd scoring option? We have to find a way to free up some money so we can get another scorer. Chandler was god awful in the playoffs this year. We were a better team with Kenyon Martin out there.

15 million for a guy who pretty much averaged 4 points and 7 boards a night in the playoffs is not gonna cut it. we need to move him while he still has some value and try to get a cheaper defensive Center and a 2nd scorer out of it.
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This was our year. We were supposed to win it all. Then JR had to party with Rhianna, Melo had to hurt his shoulder, Kidd had to suck, and Tyson had to get a bulging disc in his neck and everything went downhill.

I'm with Forenci, JR has to go. He teased me all season and he just doesn't get it. How do you play playoff games hung over? In a contract year? How do you do that?

He's gotta go. But we need a 2nd scorer in the worst way. You can't be a legit title contender in this league unless you have 2 scorers on your team. We have to find a way to get a 2nd scorer.

Maybe we package Chandler in a trade for a 2nd scoring option? We have to find a way to free up some money so we can get another scorer. Chandler was god awful in the playoffs this year. We were a better team with Kenyon Martin out there.

15 million for a guy who pretty much averaged 4 points and 7 boards a night in the playoffs is not gonna cut it. we need to move him while he still has some value and try to get a cheaper defensive Center and a 2nd scorer out of it.
Everyone else saw the playoffs as well. Chandler already has an injury history, combine that with a non-friendly contract and he doesn't have much value.
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Chandler has a lot of value and his contract is fine.
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Some idiot GM will fall in love with his name and overpay for him. If we put together a Chandler/Shump package we could potentially net a 2nd scorer.

It's something we should consider. We have to dump some salary somehow.
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Chandler has a lot of value and his contract is fine.
No it's not. Look at his value. He's not the same player anymore and there are a ton of players who can provide the same qualities for a cheaper price.

You can play moneyball at Center and use a rotation and get away with it. Think about it, if you used a Martin/Birdman rotation at Center you basically get Chandler production for a fraction of the cost.

All he does is play defense and rebound. He's absolutely useless on offense, you're playing 4 on 5 on offense, and even on defense he's not as great of a defender as he's made out to be. He's got a little finesse in him, he's not a paint protector and he can't defend the post vs physical big men.

He's way overvalued. We desperately needed size and we overpaid for him. He's not a bad player, he's a valuable player, but I think using a cheaper rotation at Center coupled with an actual legitimate 2nd scoring option would make this team better.
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To be clear, I'm not saying Chandler is a bad player. He provides value. But his $/value is not good enough to warrant keeping him. If we can move him, find a slightly less effective but much cheaper alternative to the Center position, like using a rotation that I mentioned and use that money saved on a 2nd scoring option that we desperately need, then I think moving him is the right call.

Bc until we get a 2nd scoring option to take pressure off of Melo, we can't win in the playoffs. We can cross our fingers and hope Shump develops into that guy, but he's not reliable enough to be a 2nd scorer.

We need a legitimate 2nd scoring option.
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Please stop misusing moneyball.
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Whatever. You get the point.

Isn't moneyball looking strictly at statistical output/$ ?
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I don't see why that can't work in the NBA btw. What if you establish that you need a certain # of rebounds per game, points per game, blocks per game, steals per game, and turnovers per game to win X amount of games.

Then use that statistical analysis in picking up FAs?

Why can't it work? Why hasn't anyone tried this?
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Whatever. You get the point.

Isn't moneyball looking strictly at statistical output/$ ?
Moneyball is looking for market inefficiencies. It is finding value where others have yet to find value.

It is misused as a term by many, many news outlets as a substitute for Sabermetrics or statistical analysis.. (The same way they misuse Jihad)

Moneyball in the NBA has been limited to an increase in Corner threes and Free Throws.
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I'm on my phone, so this will be short. Basically, you are wildly overreacting to Chandler playing sub par in the playoffs due to injury.
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