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So Wed is when things start for us. I was to see the rookies along the veterans.
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We won't really get much out of these camps. August is the real start.
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We won't really get much out of these camps. August is the real start.


It integrates young and the veterans and introduces new concepts to the tram. You start the process now so that in camp you can start off running. So this is an important step.

This was the time I had been invited to then falcons. So this is where they add concepts to the offense for all, new and old to learn. Since I followed the TE coach, I had all the offensive plays and script.

So that's why I am curious to know if mentally the rookies can recall and now process new information. When camp starts we will see if they can remember it all and be able for the rest paced install. If they forgot or didn't study up then as a coach you know right way.
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I understand all that but the information that we the public will get will have nothing to do with the above.
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Well that's the biggest disconnect between what really happens and what the fans know see.The disconnect actually is quite large. It amazing if one thinks about it how people can talk football epseiclaly since we as fans lack the ggame plan , tape , call sheet and head set.

Scouting wise we lack the scouting reports and draft board. In top, we are not privy to the debates in the room.

When it comes down to it we as fans are on then outside.
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Yeah plus what they do on the field this time around is going to pale in comparison as to how they look in August when they have a better understanding of the system.

Does anyone else remember Eli getting bashed by the media because he sucked at the first rookie camp and OTA? That was hilarious stuff.
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Yeah we really don't know ****. That's the truth. But if we can't discuss it, then there's no point in being a fan. That's what it's all about.

We can try to make educated guesses. That's our best bet. I love trying to study the game and try to figure out what's going on as an outsider. To me, the best part about football is the 40 seconds in btw each snap.

For me, that's where 80% of the game is played. Btw the snaps. If you can understand what's going on during those 40 seconds, you have a good understanding of football.

Those 40 seconds is where the game is won and lost.
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Yeah we really don't know ****. That's the truth. But if we can't discuss it, then there's no point in being a fan. That's what it's all about.

We can try to make educated guesses. That's our best bet. I love trying to study the game and try to figure out what's going on as an outsider. To me, the best part about football is the 40 seconds in btw each snap.

For me, that's where 80% of the game is played. Btw the snaps. If you can understand what's going on during those 40 seconds, you have a good understanding of football.

Those 40 seconds is where the game is won and lost.

Well that's the amazing part of it all. Football bar none is the most popular sport right now in America. Everything from excellent marketing and obvious betting on games makes the sport popular.

Think of it this way, How can a sport be so popular and the disconnect between what is known and what they tell is be so much?

I will say this before I coached and became involved in this all this, I learned so much from before to now. Being involved in the game gives you a perspective that I think every fan would benefit from.

It's just amazing from a macroscopic view that a sport be so secretive in the way it's run, and as fans we don't know most of what goes on, yet it's the # 1 sport in America! I find that amazing!
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Yeah plus what they do on the field this time around is going to pale in comparison as to how they look in August when they have a better understanding of the system.

Does anyone else remember Eli getting bashed by the media because he sucked at the first rookie camp and OTA? That was hilarious stuff.
He hit the tackling dummy with a pass!!!! LOL HAHAHA! I will never forget that. I mean come on! How does that happen?

Uh Eli, the WR is the human running not the blue or red stationary object
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Haha yeah. The dopey reporters were questioning the trade already because of that day though. Idiots.
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It's their job. They need to create a buzz to sell papers. I've learned to hate the media over the years. They're entitled vultures who feel so much more important than they really are.

Most of them at least. Not all.
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Tomorrow OTAs start. That should be fun to get some report s coming in. Tired to hearing good things from other teams.
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Just hope no one gets injured. OTAs are useless for us fans. We don't get enough information about anything to care for them.
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Yup this was my point from Monday. We'll get some puff pieces and not much else.
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Yup this was my point from Monday. We'll get some puff pieces and not much else.
Everyone that's interviewed will say they're healthy and in the best shape of their life, everyone recovering from injuries will say they're ahead of schedule and healthier now than before the injury, every fringe player is gonna look good and is ready to take the next step, etc etc etc.

It's all garbage. Ramses Barden, Sinorice Moss, Jonas Seawright, there's always an offseason monster that doesn't do **** when the games matter.

Until the preseason starts, the offseason is pretty much useless.
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Here's some early info we can talk about.

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Eh. Our starting LB core is gonna be:

SAM: Rivers
MIKE: Connor
WILL: JWill

and when Rivers inevitably gets hurt, chances are Curry is gonna be SAM, with maybe Paysinger unseating him.

Paysinger will be the guy who rotates in for both OLB positions when guys get hurt. Herzlich the backup MIKE.
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I was being extremely negative in the past about how horrible our defense is going to be, and I still feel that way, but today I'll try to look at the glass as half full instead of half empty.

If we evaluate our current defense, we can say this about it from a positive perspective:

1. Our pass rush should be relatively the same, if not better. JPP is gonna be JPP, no concerns there. If Tuck gives us anything it's an improvement over last year so he can only go up, and the loss of Osi is mitigated by Kiwi/Moore in our rotation. So the pass rush should at the very least by equal to last year.

2. Our run defense should improve tremendously. Adding Hankins alongside Joseph bulks us up, we improved our depth with Jenkins and you gotta assume that Austin gives us at the very least equal to or more than what he gave last year, which was essentially nothing.

So basically we improved vs the run, and at the very least stayed the same rushing the passer along the DL. So the DL has been improved.

3. The LB core should at the very least be equal to last year. Connor is at the very least as good as Blackburn, arguably a little better. JWill is better than Boley. Much stronger vs the run and just as good in coverage, and a better blitzer. So that position has been upgraded. SAM is gonna be the same at the very least. Nothing really to go nuts over there.

So you can say that our LB core is at the very least equal to last year, arguably slightly better.

So when you evaluate the front 7, we improved. Didn't improve it in the way I would like, or to the degree I would like, but our front 7 is better than last year. I think it's a good amount better vs the run, and the pass rush should be at least equal, and the coverage should be at least equal.

4. As far as DBs go, it's hard for me to look at this positively, but I'll try. Corey can't be any worse than he was last year, and you assume that Hosely steps up this year as the nickel. We also improved depth with Thomas and Ross.

So our defense could be either better or, the same as last year. It probably won't be worse.

Then again, when youre the 31st ranked defense in the league, it's kind of hard to get any worse.
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It would be hard to get worse. I think the improvements at DT will filter through the whole defense though.
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That's a nice post. It's nice to look at the glass as half full. But we still have Fewell as our DC! So... yeah...
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The improvement at DT and the slight improvement at LB should improve our run defense a good amount.

But our secondary is the key. We NEED Corey to get back to his old ways, we need Hosely to step up, and we better hope and pray that our safety situation sorts itself out.

That's gonna be a key. If they can't get it together, we better hope our pass rush steps it up a lot because we'll be dead in the water if they don't.
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The improvement at DT and the slight improvement at LB should improve our run defense a good amount.

But our secondary is the key. We NEED Corey to get back to his old ways, we need Hosely to step up, and we better hope and pray that our safety situation sorts itself out.

That's gonna be a key. If they can't get it together, we better hope our pass rush steps it up a lot because we'll be dead in the water if they don't.
Having teams in more 3rd and long situations should make the secondary look better. I think Webster had a nagging injury all year that made him play so terrible. I don't expect him to be the prime Webster but certainly a tick better than last year.

I'm not worried about S. I don't think Brown was as bad as you make him out to be even though I really don't think he's that good either. Somewhere in between. Rolle and hopefully Hill lock down the back.
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I don't think Brown is awful, I just think he's a JAG.

We're gonna have to win and lose with offense next year. The expectations for our defense should be middle of the pack, and hope our pass rush turns it on at the right time.

But we're gonna have to win with offense. We should score 28 points a game with this offense on a consistent basis. I have very high expectations for our offense.
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Hyno got carted off the field.. Let's hope it's not serious!
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Just to simplify things but a top 5 offense and a top 20 defense should be fine. We can win a lot of games like that.
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