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Old 05-22-2013, 11:04 PM    (permalink
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Coincidentally if Hibbert were in the game he'd be guarding Bosh who Sam Young was guarding and was right in position to challenge LeBron' layup.
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touche sir, touche.

I meant more separation, but still.

I understand the thinking by Vogel, somewhat, I just STRONGLY disagree with it
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You guys are being silly. I didn't say I supported it, I said I understood it.

Barkley came out and said he completely understood it and thought it was a smart move.

I don't think it was smart or a good decision, but I do understand the reasoning for it.

There's really no guarantee this changes anything anyways. Bosh is going to pull Hibbert way away from the rim so I don't think there is anyway he could get back to defend the rim.
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Barkley is great, but he still says plenty of stupid things and I would never listen to anything he says relating to defense.

Just because there's a chance it might not have changed anything doesn't mean it wasn't an awful decision percentage wise.
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In other depressing news, idiots are already saying that Lebron still wasn't clutch because he made layups instead of jumpers.
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That's a special type of idiocy.
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In other depressing news, idiots are already saying that Lebron still wasn't clutch because he made layups instead of jumpers.
Thank you for the Skip Bayless opinion...
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Also, since there was only 2 seconds left you could have had Hibbert planted in the paint outside the restricted zone without having the fear of a three second call.
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From watching Vogel's press conference, I think it's pretty clear that he didn't respect Lebron in the clutch. He was more worried about Bosh than Lebron.
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In other depressing news, idiots are already saying that Lebron still wasn't clutch because he made layups instead of jumpers.
Was his shot/layup clutch? Of course it was, but the focus will be more on the failures of Indiana with Hibbert not being in the game and George overplaying LeBron. I know it's not LeBron's fault for Indiana's ineptitude in the final 2.2 seconds, but when it comes down to it he just made a relatively uncontested layup.
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I just don't understand Vogel here. You make Bosh take that jumpshot. Why give Lebron a layup? That was just a bad judgement on his part.

Especially since you JUST saw the same thing happen like a minute before when you tried the SAME thing. That was just horrible coaching.
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If bosh hits a jumper after beating hibbert, Vogel would be getting ripped apart too. Let's not forget that. I don't agree with the move bit let's not pretend everyone wouldn't have freaked the other way too

Or maybe I'm being s Vogel fanboy. Still don't like a lot of what he did last night but I'm s huge fan of his
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You have to choose the lesser of 2 evils in that situation. You can't stop everyone, so you have to choose who you want beating you. I rather make Bosh beat me than LeBron.

I love Vogel too, but I just can't back up his logic on this one. That was a horrible decision.

Especially since he already tried that same strategy one possession earlier, and it blew up in his face bc LeBron just blew right by the defense (or was it Wade?) and layed it up. Same situation, same exact result.
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No way you don't have Hibbert in there. He's your best defensive player and you allowed them easy points in the paint on the previous possession. Forcing an 18 footer as time expires is INFINITELY better than an uncontested layup.

Vogel screwed up there and there isn't two ways about it. I like him as well but this position isn't defend-able. If Bosh makes a jumper over Hibbert you still had your best defensive player on the floor and forced a more difficult shot.
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Vogel even said that next time, Hibbert would be in there. That sounds like a man admitting his mistake to me...
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I think the decision is made to look much worse because of how bad George played the inbounds. I don't think he saw him over playing that and giving up a wide lane, ideally he was wanting to match up with the shooters and quickness. Of course if the options was Bosh jumper or LBJ lay-up that's an easy decision but considering the defense George played all game and all playoffs I really don't think he saw it likely that Bron would blow right past him.
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George played it right, his help defender messed up.

You want to force James to his left, which is what he did. He played the strong side and funneled him to the left. The weakside help defender got there late and didn't force LeBron to pass.

It's a combination of several players playing bad defense. The help to the weakside was poor, and the help to the help was poor.

Just bad defense all around. Poor communication there.
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Since '03-'04 no one has more game winning or game tying shots (last 24 seconds of regulation or overtime) in the playoffs than LeBron James. He also has the highest percentage on those shots of anyone who has taken at least ten. LeBron had an awful series two years ago against the Mavs, but it's a complete myth that he's not clutch.
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George played it right, his help defender messed up.

You want to force James to his left, which is what he did. He played the strong side and funneled him to the left. The weakside help defender got there late and didn't force LeBron to pass.

It's a combination of several players playing bad defense. The help to the weakside was poor, and the help to the help was poor.

Just bad defense all around. Poor communication there.
No he played that pretty terrible, he even said he got his wires crossed looking at Ray Allen. You may wanna force Lebron left but you don't let him get completely behind you, those are two different things. Even if you don't pressure the incoming pass and let him catch the inbound pass you're still in a pretty good position with his length.
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No he played that pretty terrible, he even said he got his wires crossed looking at Ray Allen. You may wanna force Lebron left but you don't let him get completely behind you, those are two different things. Even if you don't pressure the incoming pass and let him catch the inbound pass you're still in a pretty good position with his length.
I guess I misunderstood you. I thought you meant he shouldn't have played the strong side.

Yeah he played the left way too loose. He can squeeze him to the left while still applying pressure.

But give LeBron credit. George took one misstep and that's all it took for LeBron to blow right by him.
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Birdman's PER this postseason is 32.6. His FG% is 82.9 and per 36 minutes he's at 20 points/ 10 rebounds/ 3.5 blocks.
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