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Too bad Javon Walker kept getting hurt. On and off the field.
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Too bad Javon Walker kept getting hurt. On and off the field.
Is it possible the off the field stuff that happened to him hurt his career more than the leg injuries?

The combo was impossible to come back from I guess.
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For former FSU players the one who comes to mind first is Andre Wadsworth.
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Someone already mentioned Dan Connor right? Beason might be next.
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Given his college career and not being drafted he exceeded any reasonable expectation.

Another name would be Plaxico Burress.
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Jeff Fuller was the best strong safety in football before colliding with John Stephens in 1989 (he had held out until week 2 of the season). Then Chet Brooks was looking like a pretty damn good safety replacing him until he tore his ACL in 1990.
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Who here said Gale Sayers and Terrell Davis?
Marcus Dupree and Bo Jackson.

Gale Sayers stands out to me, of course Dupree had his taken away before he even got to the NFL.

Davis played great.
Bo, Marcus, and Gale WERE truly great. Gifts from God. Created perfectly except for the knee, hip, injuries.
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Anyways, did anyone mention Neal Anderson and William Andrews? Both could have gone on to have very successful careers if injuries didn't screw them over. Especially Andrews. He was a menace.


Just came across another mention of Andrews in an article. He put up some crazy numbers with Atlanta. His career sort of looks like Terrell Davis' on paper, but without the team success. Started every game he played in (72 games) for the first five years of his career before wrecking his knee in the preseason and being out of football for two years before an encore season basically playing tight end. In those first 5 years he also had 272 catches for 2612 receiving yards for 8384 all-purpose yards and 40 total touchdowns. Translates to 116 yards a game until his major injury.
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Just came across another mention of Andrews in an article. He put up some crazy numbers with Atlanta. His career sort of looks like Terrell Davis' on paper, but without the team success. Started every game he played in (72 games) for the first five years of his career before wrecking his knee in the preseason and being out of football for two years before an encore season basically playing tight end. In those first 5 years he also had 272 catches for 2612 receiving yards for 8384 all-purpose yards and 40 total touchdowns. Translates to 116 yards a game until his major injury.
Yeah Andrews was great. Then they got Gerald Riggs, who I think also did great for awhile.

See how many knee's ruined careers?
That's why I wish the NFL would put as much emphasis on trying to prevent any knee injuries as much as the concussions. Both are important I realize, but too too too many knee injuries.
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Broke out in a big way his third year with 107 catches (2nd in the NFL) for 1220 yards (8th in the NFL) and 7 TDs.

Couldn't last more than 9 games in a season after, and today he announced his retirement.
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Robert Edwards?
Edwards had Goodness derailed.

Surprised by no mention of Katzenmoyer in a 7-page thread, though.

Sucks about Steve Smith. He was a really nice little receiver.
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Edwards had Goodness derailed.

Surprised by no mention of Katzenmoyer in a 7-page thread, though.

Sucks about Steve Smith. He was a really nice little receiver.
Edwards' rookie season was pretty close to LaDainian Tomlinson's. We never got to see any more out of him, so I think he's a fair mention. As has been discussed in this thread, "greatness" isn't just an appraisal of a player's skill set , but how he's remembered. Edwards was off to a terrific start before destroying his knee.
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A lot of guys here won't remember him, but back in the early '70's the Bengals had a great young QB named Greg Cook. He injured his shoulder mid-season, but team doctors misdiagnosed the injury and told him he could not do more damage, so if he could play through the pain, then he could finish the season. When the season was over, they found that his shoulder was shredded. He tried to come back in 1973, but was never the same player.

The early Seahawks had a running back named David Sims. He was becoming a very good back, had a 750 yard season behind a horrible line, and injured his neck. Had a full recovery, but they said one hit could paralyze him forever, so he never played again. I'm not sure he was on his way to greatness, but for a minute there they had their 3-headed monster in Zorn/Largent/Sims. They never really had another legitimate running back until drafting Curt Warner in 1983.
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A lot of guys here won't remember him, but back in the early '70's the Bengals had a great young QB named Greg Cook. He injured his shoulder mid-season, but team doctors misdiagnosed the injury and told him he could not do more damage, so if he could play through the pain, then he could finish the season. When the season was over, they found that his shoulder was shredded. He tried to come back in 1973, but was never the same player.
Bill Walsh claimed that he was the greatest QB that he coached. He also lead the league in passing yards and won Rookie of Year with a torn rotatory cuff in his throwing arm.
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Edwards' rookie season was pretty close to LaDainian Tomlinson's. We never got to see any more out of him, so I think he's a fair mention. As has been discussed in this thread, "greatness" isn't just an appraisal of a player's skill set , but how he's remembered. Edwards was off to a terrific start before destroying his knee.
What I remember most (partially because I live in New England and my college roommate was a Pats fan) is the Pats aggressively seeking a compensatory 1st Round pick because the injury occurred during an exhibition event.
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Edwards had Goodness derailed.

Surprised by no mention of Katzenmoyer in a 7-page thread, though.

Sucks about Steve Smith. He was a really nice little receiver.
Katzenmoyer didn't have the mindset or maturity needed to succeed in the NFL.
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Sterling Sharpe played 7 seasons in the NFL, started every game.

A rookie in 1988, he was part of the 1988 WR class of Canton, that had him, Michael Irvin, and Tim Brown all taken in the top 10 of the draft.

In Sharpe's 7 seasons, he had 595 catches, 8,134 yards, 65 TD's.

He played with some stiff QB's in those first 4 years, with the young gunslinging Brett Favre his last 2 3/4 seasons.

He suffered a career-ending neck injury at the end of the 1994 season. He was right there neck & neck with Jerry Rice at that time, and I still remember being on the radio airwaves coast to coast debating that with Bobby Kemp. It was a close call.

Remember the Packers just got Reggie White, and were climbing to the top under Holmgren, when Sterling was done after that 94 season.

In those same 7 years, Irvin produced:
416 catches, 6,935 yards, 40 TD's.


And Tim Brown: (I gave Brown an extra year, 1995, because he missed almost all of his 2nd season)
405 catches, 5,076 yards, 46 TD's.


Those WR's were all good, clearly, by the end of their 7th seasons (Brown an 8th season).
Sterling Sharpe was great.

He was on pace for Canton for sure, as his numbers indicate. Plus, he had Favre there just emerging as a superstar.

Sterling Sharpe:
His second season, he led the league with 90 receptions, the first Packer to do so since Don Hutson in 1945, and broke Hutson's records for receptions and receiving yards in a season.

A few years later, in 1992, Sharpe and the new quarterback, Brett Favre, teamed up to become one of the top passing tandems in the league. In the final game of that season he and Favre hooked up for Sharpe's 107th reception of the season which broke the NFL's single-season receptions record.
That season, Sharpe became one of only seven players in NFL history to win the "Triple Crown" at the receiver position: leading the league in receiving yards, receiving touchdowns, and receptions. Jerry Rice also did this once, in 1990.

In the 1993 season Sharpe subsequently broke his own record, with 112 receptions; this also made him the first player to have consecutive seasons catching more than 100 passes. In 1994, his 18 touchdown receptions were the second most in league history at the time, behind Jerry Rice's 22 in 1987.

Sterling Sharpe's tenure at wide receiver was cut short by a neck injury suffered during the 1994 season, ending a career in which he was named an All-Pro five times (1989, 1990, 1992, 1993, and 1994).

In his final 3 seasons, the 3 with the young emerging Favre, Sharpe averaged 105 catches, 1285 yards, and 14 touchdowns.

Then he had the neck injury, similar to the one Irvin had almost 6 years later! Flip-flop those injury dates, and the Cowboys don't win 3 Super Bowls from 93-95 and the Packers win more than the 96 Super Bowl.

Since he was unable to continue playing, and was not on the Packers team that won the Super Bowl in 1996, his brother Shannon gave him the first of the three Super Bowl rings he has won.

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Eric Wright should have had an even better career for the Niners but his hamstrings caused him a lot of grief. 4 superbowl rings to go with the personal honours gives him a thing or two to reminisce about.
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If we want to go old school, Gale Sayers could have been the GOAT if he stayed healthy.
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