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Old 06-11-2013, 01:36 PM    (permalink
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That's because he's a fatty now. If he were motivated, I think he'd be a lot better. Some reports had him sitting at 300 lbs this year. Dude was a freight train with the Hawks as a forward.
Ya, but he had little to no stick skills. Bickell may not be as big, but he's still a big boy and has better stick skills (albeit, still not amazing by any means).

All Buff could do was hit people and stand in front of the net. He was never going to succeed as a forward unless he had high level talent on the ice with him at the same time. Bickell can at least do some things on his own.

I would take Bickell every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Buff and never think twice about it.
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Ya, but he had little to no stick skills. Bickell may not be as big, but he's still a big boy and has better stick skills (albeit, still not amazing by any means).

All Buff could do was hit people and stand in front of the net. He was never going to succeed as a forward unless he had high level talent on the ice with him at the same time. Bickell can at least do some things on his own.

I would take Bickell every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Buff and never think twice about it.
You seem to be forgetting that absolute howitzer of a slap shot that Buff has. Bickell is a better skater (and has better hands, but not by much like you said), but I'm not sure there's much difference between the two.
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That's because he's a fatty now. If he were motivated, I think he'd be a lot better. Some reports had him sitting at 300 lbs this year. Dude was a freight train with the Hawks as a forward.
Buff did the same thing as Bickell is right now to get any sort of contract. He was always not very motivated and everyone hated he wouldn't stand in front of the net. When he did they clowned the Canucks.
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While we are on the subject, how bad was Cam Barker? Good god, giving up Leddy for him was a black mark that Chuck Fletcher will never be able to erase from his record. Barker had literally one skill, and that was a bomb of a clapper that wasn't even accurate. Couldn't skate, couldn't defend, couldn't hit, couldn't think. Not a good combo.
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While we are on the subject, how bad was Cam Barker? Good god, giving up Leddy for him was a black mark that Chuck Fletcher will never be able to erase from his record. Barker had literally one skill, and that was a bomb of a clapper that wasn't even accurate. Couldn't skate, couldn't defend, couldn't hit, couldn't think. Not a good combo.
I remember some were pissed about the trade in Chicago. BUT LEDDY IS AWESOME. And now some want to let Leddy walk to insure they can sign Bickell. What is wrong with people?
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Buff did the same thing as Bickell is right now to get any sort of contract. He was always not very motivated and everyone hated he wouldn't stand in front of the net. When he did they clowned the Canucks.
You guys honestly probably know better than me. One of my best friends is a huge Hawks fan, and we watched pretty much every game start to finish of that playoff run. I just remember Buff running around like a bowling ball knocking down pins on the forecheck so the talented players could cycle the puck around. Just thought he was pretty valuable during that run with his net presence/forechecking/physical play.
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You guys honestly probably know better than me. One of my best friends is a huge Hawks fan, and we watched pretty much every game start to finish of that playoff run. I just remember Buff running around like a bowling ball knocking down pins on the forecheck so the talented players could cycle the puck around. Just thought he was pretty valuable during that run with his net presence/forechecking/physical play.
He played to his potential in the playoffs. It is the same as Bickell is doing now, but the regular season Buff would just skate around waiting to shoot and trying to be Kane with no skill. Frustrating. He's a D man now right?
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Ladd is much better than most guys in the league. He had some serious talent on display this year.

Some of these situations have a way of working out, though. I know he was still playing with a very good center, but I never would have expected Parenteau to lead a team in goal scoring. He did it on a reasonable contract, too.
[Yes I know his team is awful]
As awesome as JT is, Matty Duchene has kept pace with him every year he's been healthy and had a crafty winger like PAP, Mueller or Flash. So given how much Parenteau was already playing on a separate line from Tavares his final year with the Islanders, his production isn't too surprising next to Duchene.
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I remember some were pissed about the trade in Chicago. BUT LEDDY IS AWESOME. And now some want to let Leddy walk to insure they can sign Bickell. What is wrong with people?
That'd be quite foolish. Chicago's entire game is based on transition, and Leddy is amazing in that regard. Incredible skater. I kicked the **** out of him in beer pong the year after he got drafted, though. So there's that.
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That'd be quite foolish. Chicago's entire game is based on transition, and Leddy is amazing in that regard. Incredible skater. I kicked the **** out of him in beer pong the year after he got drafted, though. So there's that.
Yup, some people are arguing that the only times the Hawks have been successful is with a big power forward (Buff, Ladd?, and Bickell), and that Leddy can easily be replaced.

Because a 27 year old "power" forward that has shown up for 3 playoff series (while awesome) > a 22 year old puck moving defenseman that will probably lead the PP for years to come.
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That's because he's a fatty now. If he were motivated, I think he'd be a lot better. Some reports had him sitting at 300 lbs this year. Dude was a freight train with the Hawks as a forward.
Only Karlsson has more points among defensemen the past three years, but he definitely is a guy that could stand to turn it on a lot more often. That comes down to laziness/conditioning for sure, which is a shame. 300 still seems like a biiiiiiiit of a stretch, though.

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While we are on the subject, how bad was Cam Barker? Good god, giving up Leddy for him was a black mark that Chuck Fletcher will never be able to erase from his record. Barker had literally one skill, and that was a bomb of a clapper that wasn't even accurate. Couldn't skate, couldn't defend, couldn't hit, couldn't think. Not a good combo.
Ha. Cam Barker. HA!
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before the playoffs nobody would take bickell over byfuglien in their respective hawk days. small sample size and now everybody thinks he's a hero. byfuglien, when motivated (which bickell has the same issues), is a better forechecker, hitter, has a better slapshot, and i think they're about equal skating wise. the hawks would be smart to not pay bickell more than ~$2 mil. per and if he gets more than that then they easily let him walk.
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I don't feel good about this series at all. Chicago is a much faster team than Pitt, and much more solid defensively. We really need to rely on good 5x5 play, and unfortunately that is where they are at their best. Our offense wasn't clicking too well against Pitt and we relied too much on odd man rushes to generate points. We need production from every line or else we're in trouble.
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Yeah I know what you're saying. Toronto is a very fast team that is not as good as Chicago, and we all know how that series went. The Blackhawks won't be as forgiving as the Leafs, either.
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I don't know what to think.

On one hand, Boston was as close as you can be to being eliminated by Toronto of all teams.

On the other, since that series they have been abusing everyone, including one of, if not THE favorite in Pittsburgh.

I don't know if Pittsburgh was just dead that series, or if Boston has just an incredibly hot goalie and amazing defense, or both. I am encouraged that relatively speaking, Boston's offense hasn't looked anything special. I don't know if Boston has the ability to play physical to take the Hawks off their game, while also playing with the skill to take advantage on offense like Detroit did.

Ultimately, I think this series is going to come down to 2 things:

1. How hot Rask really is and if he stays that way.
2. The Hawks ability to capitalize on power plays.
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Hawks in 7.
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I honestly have no idea who's going to win this series. I think it's gonna go 7 games. Both teams seem really evenly matched. If I had to pick, I'd probably take Boston.
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Both these teams are gross, but I'm thinking Boston in 6
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I don't know what to think.

On one hand, Boston was as close as you can be to being eliminated by Toronto of all teams.
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5 on 3 for over a minute...1 shot on goal.

I hate our PP so much. :(

Edit: 2 shots on 3 PPs and counting.
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