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Old 06-09-2013, 02:03 PM    (permalink
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I would have to say that injuries are a major concern for the Seahawks as well. They were fairly fortunate injury wise last season, and they also have a lot of guys who are big injury risks who will severely handcuff their team if they go down.

Thomas is undersized and their secondary will go from elite to having big problems with the long ball without him.

Lynch is the most physical runner in the NFL, but he has a lot of carries on his legs over the last few years, and I'm not sure if Turbin is ready to carry the load if he goes down.

Wilson does a much better job than RGIII or Vick at avoiding contact, but he's still an undersized mobile QB.

They also have a pretty mediocre O-line sans 2 players, and as the Jets experienced when Mangold was out a couple of years ago, the tires can come off really quickly without Okung or Unger.
I wonder if Seattle took two runningbacks this year because of the wear and tear on Lynch.
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I wonder if Seattle took two runningbacks this year because of the wear and tear on Lynch.
He's going into his 7th year so he's beyond the average life expectancy for a back. There was some talk about back issues but not sure if that's overblown. There is still the DUI issue but the courts work different for athletes than it does for the rest of us.

Not a lot of areas of concern for Seattle so a lot of the draft becomes focusing on depth.
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Its a good move. Lynch is 27 but he could fall off hard with his physical style of running. I'd probably say he gets another 2 or so years. I doubt they resign him past his current deal if he makes it to the end of it. I love beast mode.
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And Crabtree the number one most important guy to our offense other than Kaepernick? Highly debatable.
Highly Debatable? Really?
No RB is more important to Kaepernick than Crabtree is/was. Not Gore.

Not one specific guy on the OL is more important.
You could have made a case of Vernon Davis, with Alex Smith. But not Kaepernick.

How is this "highly debatable" other than your hope?

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The statistics indicate that Kaepernick has grown increasingly comfortable with Crabtree. In the past three games, Crabtree has been targeted with 34 passes, 20 more than wide receiver Randy Moss (No. 2 during that span) and a whopping 26 more than Davis.
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Highly Debatable? Really?
No RB is more important to Kaepernick than Crabtree is/was. Not Gore.

Not one specific guy on the OL is more important.
You could have made a case of Vernon Davis, with Alex Smith. But not Kaepernick.

How is this "highly debatable" other than your hope?

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Yes, highly debatable. Don't be surprised if he is the odd man out when it comes time for our other players needing deals.

What makes you believe that Crabtree is more valuable than Mike Iupati for instance? For Kaepernick to throw the rock he needs adequate protection.

Now pull up all the PFF articles regarding Mike Iupati or Alex Boone so the bootlicking for them can commence as well.

Kaepernick zoned in on Crabtree in the majority of his starts. Great. That would be the smart thing to do. That doesn't make or break Kaepernick as a player. It's like saying Tony Romo needed Terrell Owens to maintain his swagger as one of the better passers in the NFL. Or that Ben Roethlisberger needed Santonio Holmes...or that he'll need Mike Wallace. Or that Brett Favre needed Sterling Sharpe. Usually the quarterback makes the receiver and not the other way around.

This doesn't mean Crabtree isn't important, but with the signing of Anquan Boldin, and Vernon Davis already on the roster...well, let's just say I'm not losing sleep over it.

And this is getting away from the main point that we were talking about. Which is that just because Crabtree is hurt, doesn't necessarily mean that there will now be some sort of magical domino effect of injuries to key contributors for the 49ers.
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So non-Niner homers,
Who was Kaepernick's top weapon?
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So non-Niner homers,
Who was Kaepernick's top weapon?
You know this was never the emphasis of our conversation right? Even after you deviated from the 49ers potentially getting a ton of injuries to Crabtree being the most important player on offense.

If that's a snarky comment from you implying a point I was/wasn't pushing, then...well...I'd say you have things more twisted than Alicia Keys' cornrows.
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You know this was never the emphasis of our conversation right? Even after you deviated from the 49ers potentially getting a ton of injuries to Crabtree being the most important player on offense.

If that's a snarky comment from you implying a point I was/wasn't pushing, then...well...I'd say you have things more twisted than Alicia Keys' cornrows.
LOL, What wrong with Key Cornrolls?

Look, our team has had a little more experience dealing with injuries recently than you have.
Take it from me, losing a QB's TOP receiver will have a significant impact on a young QB.

But Crabtree wasn't just the #2 most-targeted WR in the NFL once Kaepernick got the job.
He was also a big time playmaker.
He sealed that Patriot game.

He was blossoming into a stud, which is what they drafted him for so high and why he was a projected top-10 pick.

I give the edge to Seattle for this alone.
At this particular point in time.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...rancisco-49ers

So apparently Vernon Davis has been practicing with the wideouts. I've heard Vance McDonald has looked really good early on, so that might be letting the coach staff get creative. Vernon Davis getting matched up against CBs on a regular basis would be pretty crazy, though. They'll have a really hard time tackling him. And with he and Vance on the field at the same time, SF is going to have two enormous receivers, and having Davis on the perimeter will be a whole new element for coaches to consider in the running game. Really interesting. At 250 He'd be the biggest receiver in the league, right?
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Nnamdi is complete trash. He's a bad teammate and a bad player. Whereas before, he still had speed and the ability to lock down WRs, he has no speed anymore and will get burnt with regularity. And without the ability to play anymore, he's actually a net negative even if he never sniffs the field, because his aloof attitude and finger-pointing and excuse-making poisons the rest of the locker room.
So a change of scenery and playing in a different scheme means no chance he can be decent (or better) ?

Carlos Rogers had his best season ever, in his 7th year (1st with 49ers), and it's not like he was a world beater through his first 6 in Washington.

Essentially you are writing Nnamdi off for the sake of your argument. Maybe he will be trash but it isn't etched in stone...there is a chance he can churn out a decent season and help the secondary, and that chance isn't as minuscule as you think (it's not great by any stretch but it's better than you seem to make it out to be).

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If I'm a 49er fan I am seriously concerned about that secondary. I basically see no elite talent, or anything even close to top-level talent, in that secondary. Their best DB was Dashon Goldson and he's gone. Eric Reid is a rookie and there is NO rookie DB that plays well in their first season. Not even the greats like Deion Sanders, Rod Woodson, Darelle Revis played exceptionally well in their rookie seasons
Charles Woodson won ROTY in 1998.

DB's usually do struggle in their first year, but there have been exceptions, recently Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Joe Haden & Devin McCourty had a pretty good rookie campaigns.

But to say no rookie DB plays well in their first season is false. Point is null and void as evidenced above.

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I always thought with Vernon Davis' athleticism he could have been drafted to play WR and excelled at it.

VD could have been a supercharged Andre Johnson.

EDIT: There are countless examples of rookie SAFETIES playing awesome their first year in the NFL.

Eric Reid is a stud. He won't be playing like a rookie by week 9.
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I wonder what position Vernon will be listed at in fantasy football. Something to keep an eye on that could really boost his value - if he's eligible for the TE slot in your lineup but ends up being SFs primary receiver on the outside.
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The idea of having Boldin and VD blocking from the WR position has to be intriguing for the 49ers RBs..

But let's be honest, VD likely isn't going to be moving to WR. He may play out wide some, and it may be primarily to create mismatches by sending him in motion out to WR. In all likeliness, they are trying to get him comfortable playing outside for various reasons, one is in case the WR gets hit with injuries and he needs to play there.

For a team that uses two TE sets alot, it makes little since to play move VD to WR, where it creates a hole at TE opposite of McDonald.
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The idea of having Boldin and VD blocking from the WR position has to be intriguing for the 49ers RBs..

But let's be honest, VD likely isn't going to be moving to WR. He may play out wide some, and it may be primarily to create mismatches by sending him in motion out to WR. In all likeliness, they are trying to get him comfortable playing outside for various reasons, one is in case the WR gets hit with injuries and he needs to play there.

For a team that uses two TE sets alot, it makes little since to play move VD to WR, where it creates a hole at TE opposite of McDonald.
That's exactly why they're having him prepare now, instead of later. They've already been hit.

The article mentions that Vernon Davis was practicing exclusively with the wide receivers at minicamp, and I doubt Harbaugh would do that if he wasn't serious about Vernon Davis getting a lot of snaps out wide. I don't think they're going to just straight-up change his position and call Vance McDonald their primary tight end and Davis a starting receiver (for whatever naming a player's position is worth), and in two-tight end sets it'll probably still be Davis and McDonald, but I can easily imagine that we'll see quite a few looks with McDonald at TE and Boldin and Davis out wide. McDonald has been getting rave reviews early in the process, and as he was my favorite tight end in the draft I'm inclined to think this is a great way for them to compensate for the loss of Crabtree. More than anything it looks like they're just trying to get their best receivers out on the field at the same time, and with Crabtree out and Frank Gore hitting 30, Vernon Davis is going to be a larger factor as a receiver this year. He only caught 41 passes last year. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he doubles that this year.

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He'll motion out a bunch more but he wont be at WR that much probably. Its just gives them a lot of flexibility if more WRs go down and what packages certain personell groups can do. Stanford did a very similar thing the past years with Fleener, Ertz, and Toilolo. Luck could run a no huddle with 3 TEs 1RB 1WR but they could do 10+ formations easy. TEs who can go out wide give you a ton of flexibility.
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That's exactly why they're having him prepare now, instead of later. They've already been hit.

The article mentions that Vernon Davis was practicing exclusively with the wide receivers at minicamp, and I doubt Harbaugh would do that if he wasn't serious about Vernon Davis getting a lot of snaps out wide. I don't think they're going to just straight-up change his position and call Vance McDonald their primary tight end and Davis a starting receiver (for whatever naming a player's position is worth), and in two-tight end sets it'll probably still be Davis and McDonald, but I can easily imagine that we'll see quite a few looks with McDonald at TE and Boldin and Davis out wide. McDonald has been getting rave reviews early in the process, and as he was my favorite tight end in the draft I'm inclined to think this is a great way for them to compensate for the loss of Crabtree. More than anything it looks like they're just trying to get their best receivers out on the field at the same time, and with Crabtree out and Frank Gore hitting 30, Vernon Davis is going to be a larger factor as a receiver this year. He only caught 41 passes last year. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he doubles that this year.
One WR going down isn't being hit, if Boldin or another top 2-3 on the depth chart goes down, then they're hit with injuries.

I never said he wasn't going to play WR, but just as you said I also said, he's not going to move to WR unless something happens where its greatly needed. VD is a pro and has been for years, he know how to play the TE position, Harbaugh is playing him at WR because he knows it may be needed.

It's the same reason the Titans have been playing Alterraun Verner almost exclusively at safety, he'll likely play outside or in the nickel back position for us, but we're getting him some time at FS in case Griffin goes down and he's needed there.

I think Harbaugh realized they greatly underused VD last season once Kaep took over, so I'd expect a bigger role for him, especially after the loss of Delanie Walker. Walker lined up at WR several times for them, so it could be simply playing VD in a TE/WR role as they often did Walker, I don't think we'll be seeing VD in the FB/H-Back role Walker also played, he's too valuable at TE for that
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That's exactly why they're having him prepare now, instead of later. They've already been hit.

The article mentions that Vernon Davis was practicing exclusively with the wide receivers at minicamp, and I doubt Harbaugh would do that if he wasn't serious about Vernon Davis getting a lot of snaps out wide. I don't think they're going to just straight-up change his position and call Vance McDonald their primary tight end and Davis a starting receiver (for whatever naming a player's position is worth), and in two-tight end sets it'll probably still be Davis and McDonald, but I can easily imagine that we'll see quite a few looks with McDonald at TE and Boldin and Davis out wide. McDonald has been getting rave reviews early in the process, and as he was my favorite tight end in the draft I'm inclined to think this is a great way for them to compensate for the loss of Crabtree. More than anything it looks like they're just trying to get their best receivers out on the field at the same time, and with Crabtree out and Frank Gore hitting 30, Vernon Davis is going to be a larger factor as a receiver this year. He only caught 41 passes last year. Wouldn't be at all surprised if he doubles that this year.
Your reading a little too much into it. VD already plays out wide alot. He lines up all over....out wide, in the slot, in the backfield, in bunch sets. This is not news really. There's no need for them to see VD take a bunch of reps at TE. They know exactly what he can do there and its not like he needs the work really. So why not let the youngins like McDonald, who's been all the rave at OTAs and minicamp, Celek and Gray get more extensive work there? Plus with Boldin skipping mini-camp, Kyle Williams and Manningham hurt, what harm could it do to get VD some reps there in case they may need him in a emergency situation? You kill two birds with one stone. VD knows the offense inside out from the TE position. Playing WR only further increases his knowledge of the scheme and can aid in improving the one weakness in his game, which is route running. VD was already going to be a bigger part of the passing game without Crabs, but it will come with him playing TE, not WR. Putting him at WR, takes away all the physical and athletic advantages that makes him such a mismatch as a TE. We will be a very TE-centric passing offense this year. I expect VD and McDonald to be focal point of our passing offense, much like Gronk and Hernandez in NE.

They have confidence that the young guys will step up on the outside. Patton has looked solid. Jenkins has improved and Kyle Williams should be ready at the start of TC, which will be a huge boost because I believe he's really an underrated WR. He has great quickness/short-area explosiveness and deep speed. Remains to be seen how he will look following ACL surgery but I think he could surprise ppl if he's 100% healthy to start the season. I don't think VD working at WR during one mini-camp is an indictment of anything. Donte Whitner split his reps at mini-camp at FS and SS. No one is saying he's going to be the starting FS, come week one. These are things you do at minicamp with veteran guys who know the system and you already have an understanding of what they bring to the table at their "normal" positions.
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McDonald has been getting rave reviews.....
That's hilarious.

He's made the All-May/June Rookie team?
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That's hilarious.

He's made the All-May/June Rookie team?
There's plenty that can be said for rookies in minicamps. They're playing with veteran players, and especially in passing situations I think it's perfectly reasonable to think a coaching staff can see that a rookie, for example, is catching the ball very well and with confidence, is positioning himself well, is reacting correctly to coverages, is absorbing the playbook, etc. and tweak their offense accordingly, such as giving the rookie increased time with the first unit at tight end while allowing the other versatile, explosive player to get reps with another unit which could use his abilities. There are also plenty of players who haven't been impressive in minicamps, whether it be inconsistency or a steeper learning curve learning their playbooks, and likewise their teams use those observations to plan how they're going to head into full-contact practices and begin implementing the strategies they want to employ in the upcoming season.

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There's plenty that can be said for rookies in minicamps. They're playing with veteran players, and especially in passing situations I think it's perfectly reasonable to think a coaching staff can see that a rookie, for example, is catching the ball very well and with confidence, is positioning himself well, is reacting correctly to coverages, is absorbing the playbook, etc. and tweak their offense accordingly, such as giving the rookie increased time with the first unit at tight end while allowing the other versatile, explosive player to get reps with another unit which could use his abilities. There are also plenty of players who haven't been impressive in minicamps, whether it be inconsistency or a steeper learning curve learning their playbooks, and likewise their teams use those observations to plan how they're going to head into full-contact practices and begin implementing the strategies they want to employ in the upcoming season.
While it is very true that coaches can easily see when a rookie is doing well in training camp, the problem lies in the fact that they praise every rookie to the hilt this time of the year without exception. You really cannot read anything into it till you see them perform in the pre season. I love McDonald as a TE prospect but I still wouldn't read anything into a coaches comment at this time of the year.
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Yeah, Coaches say stuff all the time about this guy or that guy come May & June.
It usually means little once the real bullets are flying in September. I have learned thru experience that it means little what "praises" and "rave reviews" are coming out in May. We'll see in September and October here.

Here's a nice piece by Chadiha today about this NINERS-SEAHAWKS rivalry!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/93...ly-grew-fierce

Feeling mutual for 49ers, Seahawks

NFC West powers don't like each other, fueling NFL's hottest rivalry

To understand how intense the rivalry between the 49ers and Seahawks has become, all you have to know is what San Francisco head coach Jim Harbaugh said in response to a question about five Seattle players who have been suspended for using banned substances since 2011. Along with saying he "definitely noticed" what had been happening with the Seahawks, Harbaugh added that "you always want to be above reproach, especially when you're good, because you don't want people to come back and say, 'They're winning because they're cheating.'"




Those comments rankled the Seahawks; cornerback Brandon Browner told a local radio station that if Harbaugh were lining up against him after making such a statement, "I'd put my hands around his neck." But they were only more fodder in what has suddenly become the NFL's best rivalry. "I don't like using the word 'hate,' but it's definitely like a heavyweight fight when we play each other," 49ers Pro Bowl linebacker Patrick Willis said. "We're not throwing little jabs that barely hurt. We're trying to knock each other out."




The issues between the 49ers and Seahawks largely exist because of what has happened over the past 12 months. First, there were the games. San Francisco earned a hard-fought 13-6 Week 7 win before being blown out 42-13 in Seattle in Week 16. Even though San Francisco won its second consecutive NFC West title -- and eventually reached the Super Bowl -- those contests served notice about where this series was heading. The first game let the 49ers know the Seahawks were legitimate threats. The second allowed the Seahawks to see just how devastating they could be when everything was clicking.




If those games weren't enough to increase the drama, both teams have helped fuel the rivalry through the media. Harbaugh openly complained about the physical play of Browner and fellow Seattle cornerback Richard Sherman after the first game, telling CSNBayArea.com that those players should have been penalized for illegal contact several times. Yahoo! Sports also reported that Seahawks players were miffed that Harbaugh supposedly waved at them mockingly after that game, a move that made their blowout victory in the rematch all the more satisfying. San Francisco linebacker NaVorro Bowman also threw a log on the fire in April, when he told NFL.com:"I think people like the next best thing. I think people like seeing the challenger get close to the best. ... You have to earn these things. This is their first time being mentioned like that [as a championship contender], in this sentence, and we'll see what they'll do with that."


ALOT MORE THERE, click the link, read the full article.
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1 thing that article is missing. Richard Sherman and Doug Baldwin both played for Harbaugh at Stanford and the both absolutely hate him. Seahawks/Niners games are fun to watch, there's pushing jawing after just about every play. Always intense.
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Richard Sherman and Doug Baldwin both played for Harbaugh at Stanford and the both absolutely hate him.
That's not entirely true. Sherman and JH had a falling out his junior year I believe about him changing positions and has said JH tried sabotage his college career. He's definitely not a Harbaugh fan but I've never heard Baldwin say anything negative about JH. In fact, we tried to signed him as a UDFA following the draft in 2011.

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"I guess it's just the way it played out," Baldwin said. "They had a pretty stacked roster at wide receiver. I felt that they were set at that position at the time. I felt that Seattle was the best opportunity for me to win a job.

"Seattle was the first team to call me when the lockout was lifted. During the draft when the last picks were going in, Harbaugh had called me and said that they probably weren't going to be able to take me. But they were interested in having me."


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So Golden Tate's idea of talking tough is to threaten a blindside hit on a coach? He should probably stick to smashing donuts.
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So Golden Tate's idea of talking tough is to threaten a blindside hit on a coach? He should probably stick to smashing donuts.
Or getting credited for game-winning TD catches when he doesn't even have the ball. That's better for Golden.
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