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Old 07-10-2013, 06:44 PM    (permalink
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I am not trying to be a homer about our defense, and I am not saying it will be one of the elite units in the NFL. I can understand people's pessimism after a sub-par performance depsite high expectations from a very successful SB playoff run.

I do genuinely believe it is going to be a good solid unit and that it will surprise people this year. I kind of feel that we are going to get the kind of defense we expected to have last year.
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I also think people are majorly under-selling our DTs.

Last year Linval pretty much played a lone hand while Canty dealt with injuries and we had stop gaps filling in.

Have you noticed that in the NFC East Philly, Dallas and Washington had suspect Oline play. While their tackle spots have been upgraded (likely in response to the Giants DEs), their interior onlines is very suspect.

So what do the Giants do? we load up inside and in a big way (pardon the pun).

We have Jenkins, Austin and Patterson, three very physical guys who can get into the backfield and be disruptive; then we have Joseph, Hankins and Rogers, three monster DTs who can anchor our line and really maul offensive linemen. Plus we have the depth to rotate our guys and keep the hammering up all game on the opposition Guards. (I expect Kuhn to start on PUP)

The Giants aren't going to be as weak inside as we have been, it will flush plays outside for our DEs, there won't be as many easy yards up the middle and the big bodies up front will help keep our LBs free to make plays.

The other advantage is that we will be better at first and second downs, which will give more chances for us to use our pass rushing packages.

This is the best DT rotation for NYG that I can remember in a long time and no-one is talking about it.
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I'm taking a very wait and see approach on our DTs. How much those guys have left in the tank is big question mark for everyone except Joseph and Hankins, and big Hank still has to show he can be effective in the NFL. Jenkins, Austin, Patterson and Rogers are all big question marks, ones that can pay off well, but ones that we won't know that about until the season starts.
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I'm taking a very wait and see approach on our DTs. How much those guys have left in the tank is big question mark for everyone except Joseph and Hankins, and big Hank still has to show he can be effective in the NFL. Jenkins, Austin, Patterson and Rogers are all big question marks, ones that can pay off well, but ones that we won't know that about until the season starts.
I don't think it is that bad. Jenkins has performed solidly, so with Joseph and Hankins we have a good basis and whoever wins the competition between Rogers, Austin and Patterson will be able to contribute.
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That's the thing, we just have so many questionable parts on the defense, it's hard to predict anything positive bc we have no evidence.

Realistically when you have this many questionable pieces to the puzzle, rule of thumb is to expect 20% of them to pan out the way you hope. That's realistic. And if only 20% show us what we want to see, then we have a pretty terrible defense.

And Kiwi...I think at this point we can say Kiwi is a JAG. I like the guy, he's good vs the run, he's versatile, he's a 8 sack a season guy when playing full time DE, but that's his ceiling. He's a solid but not spectacular guy.


He's not an Osi, or a healthy Tuck, or a JPP. He's just a solid player.
To me that's a bit better than JAG. 8 sacks, good run defender, very versatile. That's very good. He's not JPP or anything but he can be a very good complimentary player.
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here is some interesting info I found on bbi about defending the zone read.

Some may find it interesting so I thought I would post it

http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/20...ning-game#more
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To me that's a bit better than JAG. 8 sacks, good run defender, very versatile. That's very good. He's not JPP or anything but he can be a very good complimentary player.
I agree, nothing wrong with solid guys :)
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here is some interesting info I found on bbi about defending the zone read.

Some may find it interesting so I thought I would post it

http://www.thekeyplay.com/content/20...ning-game#more
looks like the LDE and the safeties are key defenders against the zone read.

Maybe that is why there have been reports of us switching JPP to LDE and Tuck to RDE.
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Who's our starting linebackers this year? Anyone wanna take a guess?

I'm gonna go with:

WILL: Jacquan Williams
MIKE: Dan Connor
SAM: Aaron Curry

Bc Coughlin is going to play his veterans. If it's not that lineup I can see:

WILL: Jacquan Williams
MIKE: Dan Connor
SAM: Spencer Paysinger

Ideally I'd want in a perfect world for Curry to pan out and have the lineup of:

WILL: Jacquan Williams
MIKE: Aaron Curry
SAM: Spencer Paysinger

I can't be sold on Herzlich. I want to be a fan, but I can't buy into a guy who has a metal rod in his leg. Just can't do it.
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WILL: Jacquan Williams
MIKE: Dan Connor
SAM: Keith Rivers

Lots of rotations. We're still going to play a lot of 3 S looks as well. I'm still not concerned about LB as I don't think that's really the problem with the D.
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It's gonna be a problem. Unless JWill really steps up. But even then we're a Cover 2 defense with no linebackers.

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The defensive competitions at all 3 levels are going to be fun to watch this preseason. The offensive side of the ball is pretty set besides a spot here and there but the D is totally up for grabs. Good competition will raise everyone's game.
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I want to see Tracy and Moore. I think those 2 have potential to add to our pass rushing core. We're going to need them to if we want to boast a good DL like in years past.

I really hope Will Hill pans out too.
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Tracy, Moore, and I'll add Ojomo and Trattou even though they're behind right now.
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Yeah I'm not concerned about LB. The position is overrated as I've always stated. Our defense will hinge on how well the DL and DBs play. DBs being the bigger question mark. Can Webster bounce back? Can Prince become a lock down CB? How will our safeties fair?
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The read option makes having good linebackers even that much more important. You can't use the same blueprint from 07 anymore. The NFL evolved since then.

And I'm not too big on Ojomo or Tratou bc both are slow twitch. Ojomo is slow off the line, and if you have no get off you're doomed in the NFL as a pass rusher. His sack totals are misleading.
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Yeah I'm being serious here. Jenna Haze and Sasha Grey are two of the most famous and they don't have large boobs.
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I was waiting for BBD's book report on this issue today.
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I'm working on it. I didn't get a chance to investigate yesterday but I haven't forgotten.
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