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Old 07-12-2013, 12:22 PM    (permalink
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That's a pretty terrible all time team.
Five hall of famers is a terrible all time team?
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Can't look past either the Lakers or Celtics for an all-time team. It's really sad that some of the guys that had to be passed on for these two lists would be easy starters on other all-time teams. Sheesh they are spoiled.

Oh and if we are talking in their prime Shaq over Zo every single time. If solely for franchise contributions then I understand the argument :)

Lakers:
PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Elgin Baylor
PF: Kareem Abdul Jabbar
C: Shaquille O'Neal

Felt bad about leaving off West and Worthy but a healthy Elgin Baylor trumps both.

Celtics:
PG: Bob Cousy
SG: John Havlicek
SF: Larry Bird
PF: Dave Cowens
C: Bill Russell

This one was a lot harder. I wanted to put Paul Pierce in but I didn't want to move Bird from SF.
Would have to find room for West who is arguably a top 10 player all time and would go with McHale over Cowens for the Celts.
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Five hall of famers is a terrible all time team?
Wallace will not be a HOFer.

And that team can't score enough to keep up with the other all time teams.
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Big Ben/Rodman would terrorize them.
That actually would be an awesome matchup. Probably the only duo that could really stop them.
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Wallace will not be a HOFer.

And that team can't score enough to keep up with the other all time teams.
Dantley is an elite scorer, and Billups/Dumars are both very good scorers as well. All three are good at getting to the line as well, which is a pretty big advantage. Sure they might struggle with interior offense, but they can stop anyone on defense and on the boards.

Also, a four time defensive player of the year not in the hall of fame? Sure.
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Dantley is an elite scorer, and Billups/Dumars are both very good scorers as well. All three are good at getting to the line as well, which is a pretty big advantage. Sure they might struggle with interior offense, but they can stop anyone on defense and on the boards.

Also, a four time defensive player of the year not in the hall of fame? Sure.
You're playing 3 on 5 on offense vs other all time great teams. You think that's gonna work?

2 of those 3 players are Guards as well. You can't have Wallace AND Rodman, you gotta take one out. You can't play 3 on 5 on offense, that just cripples your team.
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Bulls were 72-10 with a lesser Rodman (on both sides) and Luc Longley.
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PF: Dennis Rodman
C: Ben Wallace

Just try and rebound against that.
Not a fan of Zeke?
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I like Chauncey's game a lot more. Low turnover, good efficiency, etc.
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You're playing 3 on 5 on offense vs other all time great teams. You think that's gonna work?

2 of those 3 players are Guards as well. You can't have Wallace AND Rodman, you gotta take one out. You can't play 3 on 5 on offense, that just cripples your team.
Switch one with Grant Hill then.
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Bulls were 72-10 with a lesser Rodman (on both sides) and Luc Longley.
Chauncey Billups and Joe Dumars aren't Michael Jordan. They don't even equal Michael Jordan's big toe.

And choosing Billups over Isiah is kind of hilarious.
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That Bulls team may have been the greatest defensive team of all time too.
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Billups over Zeke is just so incredibly wrong.
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PF Chris Webber / Wayman Tisdale
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Coach - Rick Adelman
Developmental guy to hang onto this time - Gerald Wallace

So essentially the starters are 01-02 team + Mitch Richmond. The bench is pre- and post-glory years + Wayman Tisdale.
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NIP would give us a whole 2nd team....guy has issues...
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Just try and rebound against that.
No Josh Smith?
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C: Bill Russell / Robert Parrish

Coach: Red Auerbach

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I know Grant Hill only played like 6 games but he would be better at the SF.
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I like Chauncey's game a lot more. Low turnover, good efficiency, etc.
This is you just saying he doesn't turn the ball over much twice because there's no way 'good efficiency' refers to any other part of his offensive game. He's been very inefficient scorer from anywhere inside the 3 point line and was/is not a particularly productive passer his entire career.

Although I don't always agree with your stances, I usually at least understand where you're coming from. I have no clue on this one. Isiah is significantly better in pretty every area as a basketball player. Much more athletic, better at getting to the rim, better mid range shooter, much better passer, much better defender, etc, etc. The only real exception is taking care of the ball, even though Chauncey's assist/turnover ratio is only 0.2 higher, and 3 point shooting which is hard to hold against guys who came into the league in the early 80's.

I kinda suspect your Chauncey > Zeke thing is rooted in Zeke's shittiness as a human being.
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