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Old 07-17-2013, 11:24 AM    (permalink
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Closers are overrated and overpaid, but Rivera has been great for a long time. He deserves recognition.
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It isn't about the MVP, it's about the position of closer. Many closers make tons of money when the team could get nearly identical production from a closer-by-committee (or just managing your bullpen as you do the first 8 innnings).
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Ask the Tigers about the importance of a quality closer. The Indians shouldn't even be this close. Rivera is and has been a great player.
The problem with the value of closers it that not all save opportunities are equally valuable, but managers just put their best reliever as the closer, and stick to it. If you're facing the Tigers, would you rather have your best reliever come in to face Cabrera and Fielder in the 8th, or Tuiasosopo and Avila in the 9th? Most managers strangely think it should be the latter.
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It isn't about the MVP, it's about the position of closer. Many closers make tons of money when the team could get nearly identical production from a closer-by-committee (or just managing your bullpen as you do the first 8 innnings).
.70 ERA in 141 postseason innings.

Yeah, a closer by committee could have totally done that.
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Yeah, a closer by committee could have totally done that.
He's not speaking specifically about Mo; it was more a general observation of closers in general.
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.70 ERA in 141 postseason innings.

Yeah, a closer by committee could have totally done that.
Yeah, that's great, but like irishfan just said, why not use your top reliever like you use every other reliever? Let's say the 7th inning starts with the 1-2-3 hitters. You have a two run lead. Why not bring Mariano in to face them rather than holding him for a possible save two innings later?
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It isn't about the MVP, it's about the position of closer. Many closers make tons of money when the team could get nearly identical production from a closer-by-committee (or just managing your bullpen as you do the first 8 innnings).
I have no disagreement with you on this, but there are still some really ******* good relief pitchers worthy of recognition. Ignore the fact that he was a closer; just think about how much value Rivera gave the Yankees by dominating just about every time he hit the field.
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Yeah, 3-0 lead with facing weakest hitters in the lineup to close a game is laughable.


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Buxton #1 and Sano #4 in Keith Law's new prospect rankings.

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Sounds like the Rangers are about to go all in...

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The Rangers have seemed to be the front-runner for a while now, and it appears they could get a deal done before Garza makes his next start for the Cubs. Rosenthal notes that there are prospects "from various levels" in play and that Mike Olt is "possibly" involved.
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Pirates are being linked to Alex rios and alexei Ramirez. Rios I won't mind because RF is a black hole for the club and he HAS to get hot again soon. Ramirez just seems like a guy now and the team would be better off with Barmes or Mercer. Ramirez does play good D and is speedy so I guess that's an upgrade at least.
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Why are the Rangers giving up so much for Garza?
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BECAUSE, idk, Cubs.

I am not a big fan of Olt though.
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Theo has been putting in some serious work. Can you imagine if he ends that curse also. He's going to do it!
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Yep, and people are bitching in Chicago. They are dumb and it's annoying. I think they are getting good value, but I am not a big fan of any of the pieces they will get from the Rangers.
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I'll wait to see the final deal but to me it looks like they're going in the right direction. You can find lots of Garza's.
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It's a great deal for a rental.
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Pirates are being linked to Alex rios and alexei Ramirez. Rios I won't mind because RF is a black hole for the club and he HAS to get hot again soon. Ramirez just seems like a guy now and the team would be better off with Barmes or Mercer. Ramirez does play good D and is speedy so I guess that's an upgrade at least.
Lol what? Barmes can play defense but can't hit. Mercer can hit but can't play defense. A majority of SS would be better then what the Pirates have.
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Lol what? Barmes can play defense but can't hit. Mercer can hit but can't play defense. A majority of SS would be better then what the Pirates have.
Alexei isn't hitting, but plays defense.
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.286 with 20 SB's from your SS that will give you stellar defense is nothing to sneeze at.


He is having a power outage as far as HR's but 24 doubles is solid.
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Alexei isn't hitting, but plays defense.
I would still take him over Barmes and Mercer.
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.286 with 20 SB's from your SS that will give you stellar defense is nothing to sneeze at.


He is having a power outage as far as HR's but 24 doubles is solid.
But what's his OBP?
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