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The Jay Cutler era in Chicago has consisted of one disappointment after another. For the past three years, the Bears have shown great promise that becomes overshadowed by an inevitable letdown. In 2010, the Bears advanced all the way to the NFC championship game before Cutler got hurt and sat on the sidelines watching his team lose. In 2011, the team started out 7-3 before Cutler got hurt again and the team stumbled to an 8-8 finish. Last year, there was no injury to Cutler, but the letdown came anyways. After a blistering 7-1 start, the wheels came off and the team ended up narrowly missing the playoffs, prompting the Bears to clean house. With a new General Manager and Head Coach, and Cutler in a contract year, this is clearly a pivotal year for a franchise trying to figure out if they need to overhaul the roster.

Offense

Marc Trestman comes to Chicago with reputation of being a quarterback guru, and he is being charged with the task of getting more out of Jay Cutler. When Cutler came to Chicago, he was looked at as somewhat of a savior to a franchise that had suffered through years of Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, and Brian Griese at QB. Cutler undeniably brought life to the Bearsí passing game with his big arm and playmaking ability, but his meltdowns have lost them games, and his leadership skills have been brought into question. Of course, it is not unfair to heap all the blame of the teamís offensive failures on the quarterback position. The offensive line has been abominable throughout Cutlerís tenure in Chicago, and he hasnít had a strong group of receivers. The Bears have been fairly aggressive in upgrading their offensive line and skill positions, putting the onus on Trestman to design an offense that makes good use of the weapons at his disposal, and on Cutler to lead the group to success on the field. Trestman has not coached in the NFL since 2004, so there could be an adjustment period as he familiarizes himself with leagueís current personnel, coaches, and strategic phenomena. Cutler has always been an exciting quarterback, but has a career win-loss record of 52-43 and needs to prove he can be a winner and lead his team to more than mediocrity.

Revamped O-Line
JíMarcus Webb was a disaster at left tackle last year, and has been replaced by Jermon Bushrod, who has been a very effective blindside protector for years in New Orleans. Webb will start, but will be moved to the less-important right side. The Bears also brought in a new pair of starting guards by signing Matt Slauson and using a first-round pick on Kyle Long. With these additions, the teams hopes to keep Cutler clean and get a better push in the run game.

Big Receivers
When the Bears traded the Dolphins for Brandon Marshall, reuniting him with his quarterback from Denver, I instantly expected big things from the duo. Marshall is one of the true go-to receivers in this league, and he and Cutler have an uncanny connection. The two connected on 118 passes for 1508 yards and 11 TDs, but the Bearsí offense became a bit one dimensional. Marshall was targeted 194 times, while the only other player on the team to be targeted more than 50 times was running back Matt Forte, who was thrown at 60 times. In 2012, 40% of passes attempted by Bearsí quarterbacks were directed towards Marshall. Obviously, this is not a model for an efficient offense, and the Bears need other players to step up. Two big-bodied receivers the Bears are really counting on this year are WR Alshon Jeffery and TE Martellus Bennett. Jeffery showed flashes in his rookie year, but was very inconsistent and finished with only 367 yards. Bennett turned his career around with a strong season for the Giants last year, but needs to follow up on it in Chicago. Outside of Earl Bennett, a steady backup receiver, the Bears donít have much depth at WR or TE, meaning they will need Bennett and Jeffery to step up or end up with the same one-dimensional offense as last year.

Key Player: HB Matt Forte
The Bears thought they had found their workhorse when Forte rushed 316 times for 1238 yards and caught 63 passes for 477 yards and found the end zone 12 times as a rookie. Since then, he has averaged just 236 carries over four seasons, and has only scored 23 touchdowns in that same period. Forteís play has still been solid, but he has had some issues staying healthy and hasnít been the game-changer they expected him to be. Backup Michael Bush was underwhelming last year and doesnít bring the power run game his size would indicate, which puts pressure on Forte to be the driving force of this run game. In an offense that lacks vertical receivers and big-play threats, the Bears need to be very deliberate and efficient on offense. Players with Forteís size and skill set donít come around often, and the key to this offense may be the better utilization of their star tailback. Once again, the pressure will be on Trestman to devise a system that will put his best players in position to succeed.


Defense

It will be strange watching the Bears line up on defense without Brian Urlacher in the middle, but such is the nature of the NFL. Players get old, see their skills decline, and are phased out, even if they are franchise legends. The question now is how much the rest of the Bearsí aging veteran have left in the tank. Urlacher had to hang it up at 34 years old, and Lance Briggs (32), Julius Peppers (33) and Charles Tillman (32) are not far behind him. Under the direction of Lovie Smith, the Bears defense has been dominant for the past decade with this cast of characters, but the end of that era is quickly approaching. Lovie Smithís aggressive schemes helped the Bears consistently force turnovers, and they may regret showing him the door instead of bringing in a new offensive coordinator. New defensive coordinator Mel Tucker is not expected to make any major scheme changes or change the defensive terminology, but it will be hard to replicate the results the team had with Smith and Urlacher.

Replacing Urlacher: MLB Jon Bostic
Obviously, expecting a rookie to fill the shoes of a future hall-of-famer is ridiculous, but thatís what happens when a team uses a high pick on a player to fill a void left by a franchise great. Bostic is actually a quite different player than Urlacher, as he clearly lacks Urlacherís coverage skills and ability to make plays in the open field. However, he is a tough run defender with great instincts and a high motor and could end up being a high-impact rookie. He will have to fight veteran DJ Williams for the job, but Williams seems to be on the downside of his career and it should only be a matter of time before Bostic ends up in the starting lineup. However, if Bostic is going to be an impact player in his rookie year, he will need the rest of the front seven to help him out. He will be flanked by two veterans with solid track records in Lance Briggs and James Anderson. Briggs is a Chicago legend who is still playing at a high level, while Anderson is coming off a down year in Carolina. Both are best playing in space, so it will be imperative that the defensive line keeps blockers occupied.

Front Four
For years, the Bears have relied almost exclusively on their front four to create pressure, a trend that is not expected to change. Julius Peppers remains one of the leagueís best defensive ends, showing great prowess as a pass-rusher and run defender, and Henry Melton has emerged as one of the leagueís best interior pass-rushers. Nose tackle Stephen Paea set a combine record on the bench press in 2011, but has yet to develop into the force in the trenches the Bears hoped he would be. One player the Bears are sure to miss is DE Israel Idonije, who had 7.5 sacks last year and played the run exceptionally well. Filling his shoes will be Corey Wooton, who flashed upside last year by recording seven sacks, and Shea McClellin, a first round pick who struggled mightily in his rookie year. Depth is scarce after that, so the Bears will likely be riding this group hard.

Secondary Pressure
As much as the Bears will be relying on their defensive front to pressure quarterbacks, they will be relying just as much on their defensive backs to pressure receivers. Charles Tillman sets the tone, providing veteran leadership, as well as excellent press coverage and run support. The 10-year veteran should probably put a patent on his punch-move, which he used a to force an league-high ten fumbles last year. Tillman is now the all-time leader in career fumbles forced among cornerbacks, is tied with Osi Umenyiora for the single season-record for fumbles forced, and owns the record for fumbles forced in a game after punching out four balls in a dominant performance against the Titans. One player who has really benefited from Tillmanís mentorship is Tim Jennings, a cornerback who has elevated his play to a new level since joining the Bears. His nine interceptions led the league last year, and there may not be a more a disruptive pair of cornerbacks in this league. Losing nickel corner DJ Moore was a blow, but Kelvin Hayden and Zack Bowman do provide adequate depth. Strong safety Major Wright is an aggressive and instinctive playmaker in the mold of Bob Sanders who really blossomed last year, while free safety Chris Conte has developed into a very solid player in his own right.

Special Teams

K: Robbie Gould
P: Adam Podlesh
RS: Devin Hester

Devin Hesterís experiment at wide receiver is apparently over, meaning the best return specialist in NFL history will be focusing on what he does best. At thirty years old, Hester no longer possesses the blazing speed he used to set the league on fire early in his career, but he is still dangerous with the ball in his hands and his field vision and return skills cannot be understated. The Bears figure to not only be strong on returns, but have some of the best kick coverage units in the league. Led by special teams standout Blake Costanzo, the Bears finished first in average punt return yardage allowed, and fourth in average kick return yardage allowed. Robbie Gould is a reliable kicker who has been with the Bears through thick and thin.

Schedule Analysis
The NFC North promises to be a competitive division, and the Bears have had a particularly tough time against the Packers, who have beat them six consecutive times. The Bears will travel to Green Bay after their week 8 bye, and will host the Packers in week 17 in a game that could end up deciding both teamsí fate. The Bears will have a chance to get off to another good start, with a winnable slate of games to start the year. However, they need to avoid another poor finish, which could be tough with four of their final six games on the road.
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A) Last year, there was no injury to Cutler, but the letdown came anyways. After a blistering 7-1 start, the wheels came off and the team ended up narrowly missing the playoffs, prompting the Bears to clean house.


B) The Bears will travel to Green Bay after their week 8 bye.
A) People (Bear fans mostly, or Packer haters) thought Packer fans were just whining when they kept pointing out how lucky the Bears were getting in that hot 7-1 start. Their defense kept coming up with timely turnovers, including some game-deciders. I can remember the one vs Cam Newton's Panthers where Steve Smith simply slipped and fell, with the pass then going right to the Bears DB I think Tillman, for the game-ending Int. They had a ton of turnovers in the first half of the season, but those lucky breaks weren't there later, and we saw the result.

B) Nice the NFL gives the Bears a bye and extra week to prepare for the Packer game.
They also send the Packers to Minnesota on Sunday night the week before so back to back rivalry games there, give the chasers the best chance to beat Green Bay there.

I like Trestman a lot as a coach.
I just don't know how far a team can go with the moody, weird Cutler & Marshall as their leaders. Talented yes, but those guys are mentally very fragile.

Peppers, Cutler, Marshall.... their best 3 players?
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Offense

Marc Trestman comes to Chicago with reputation of being a quarterback guru, and he is being charged with the task of getting more out of Jay Cutler.

The Bears have been fairly aggressive in upgrading their offensive line and skill positions, putting the onus on Trestman to design an offense that makes good use of the weapons at his disposal, and on Cutler to lead the group to success on the field.
Revamped O-Line

JíMarcus Webb was a disaster at left tackle last year, and has been replaced by Jermon Bushrod, who has been a very effective blindside protector for years in New Orleans.

Key Player: HB Matt Forte

Replacing Urlacher: MLB Jon Bostic


Special Teams

K: Robbie Gould
P: Adam Podlesh
RS: Devin Hester

Devin Hesterís experiment at wide receiver is apparently over, meaning the best return specialist in NFL history will be focusing on what he does best. At thirty years old, Hester no longer possesses the blazing speed he used to set the league on fire early in his career, but he is still dangerous with the ball in his hands and his field vision and return skills cannot be understated.

Schedule Analysis
The NFC North promises to be a competitive division, and the Bears have had a particularly tough time against the Packers, who have beat them six consecutive times. The Bears will travel to Green Bay after their week 8 bye, and will host the Packers in week 17 in a game that could end up deciding both teamsí fate. The Bears will have a chance to get off to another good start, with a winnable slate of games to start the year. However, they need to avoid another poor finish, which could be tough with four of their final six games on the road.
A few remarks on things you said:

On Cutler, I have been hearing very good things. Every day they are adding more and more responsibility to him. Cutler seems to really have bought in to what Trestman is selling.

Bears fans are not as giddy about the Bushrod signing as you seem to be. I think his play in New Orleans is deceiving. The ability of Drew Brees to get rid of the ball quickly masked some issues with Bushrod. And getting the ball out quickly is not exactly Jay's strong suit.

I agree Forte is the key player. And I think he will be used often. Now he just needs to stay healthy. Hopefully Trestman gets creative with Forte. Screen passes, line him up in the slot, line him up out wide, everything.

You mention Bostic, but I think Khaseem Greene is the best rookie linebacker on the team. Bostic might start first out of necessity but it won't be long before Greene is starting opposite Briggs.

I don't think Hester is anything special anymore. In fact, many Bears fans (myself included) thought he should be cut this offseason. Maybe if they take him off of offense, where he is less than worthless, he'll return to his prior self. But with nothing at receiver, can the Bears afford it? I'm also worried about the Special Teams taking a step back with the loss of Dave Toub.

The schedule isn't favorable. Let's say the Bears go 3-3 in division, a reasonable prediction. Non-conference games include Cincinanti, Pittsburgh, New Orleans, Washington, New York Giants, St. Louis, Dallas, Cleveland, Philadelphia, and Baltimore. With that schedule, 8-8 is a reasonable prediction and 10-6 is probably the ceiling.

Last thing I'll say is I really hope Marquess Wilson develops. He was looks at as an early round pick but other issues got in the way. But if the coaching staff can work with his tools, I could see him as the 3rd receiver by mideseason.
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I like Trestman a lot as a coach.
I just don't know how far a team can go with the moody, weird Cutler & Marshall as their leaders. Talented yes, but those guys are mentally very fragile.
I like how you call Cutler moody and weird and question his leadership. I guess people don't realize that Cutler's teammates love him. Publicly, they have nothing but great things to say about him. And I know, no player is going to say anything bad about their starting QB publicly. But what about anonymous quotes? Or after guys go to a different team? Nothing. I would be willing to guess Cutler is more liked by his teammates than Rodgers.

People just have a hypocritical opinion of Cutler. When Cutler yells at his receivers for falling down or his offensive line for sucking, he is bashed relentlessly. When every other QB does it, it's called leadership and passion. When he was injured in the Conference Championship game. He was called a ***** for not going back in. Those same things said about RGIII when he didn't go back in? No, Shanahan was criticized for playing him. Yes, RGIII had a more serious injury, but Cutler did have a Grade II ligament sprain (which means there is a partial tear and the person has difficulty putting weight on the knee).

As for Marshall, he had a undiagnosed mental disorder. Since receiving help with it, he has become a change man and hasn't had any issues.
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I have to sell on the Bears as usual. Below average offense with a below-average QB. They didn't do anything to tangibly get better this offseason unless you really believe in Trestman. Plus with Briggs, Peppers, and Tillman all solidly in the twilight of their careers it's hard to believe that they'll be able to replicate their unbelievable defensive season last year.
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I like how you call Cutler moody and weird and question his leadership. I guess people don't realize that Cutler's teammates love him. Publicly, they have nothing but great things to say about him. And I know, no player is going to say anything bad about their starting QB publicly. But what about anonymous quotes? Or after guys go to a different team? Nothing. I would be willing to guess Cutler is more liked by his teammates than Rodgers.

People just have a hypocritical opinion of Cutler. When Cutler yells at his receivers for falling down or his offensive line for sucking, he is bashed relentlessly. When every other QB does it, it's called leadership and passion. When he was injured in the Conference Championship game. He was called a ***** for not going back in. Those same things said about RGIII when he didn't go back in? No, Shanahan was criticized for playing him. Yes, RGIII had a more serious injury, but Cutler did have a Grade II ligament sprain (which means there is a partial tear and the person has difficulty putting weight on the knee).

As for Marshall, he had a undiagnosed mental disorder. Since receiving help with it, he has become a change man and hasn't had any issues.
I have a long-time best friend who is friends with Cutler, somewhat, because he's a famous country musician.
He's been out with Cutler many times, seen Jay hammered, etc... has had in depth discussions with him.
Granted the last one I can recall was a few years ago and he may have changed with Kristin Calivari. Although....

Anyway, I agree many of his teammates back him, but what I am talking about is not that... it's how he reacts ON THE FIELD when **** starts happening. When he gets picked off...... hit hard, picked off..... perhaps I am spoiled because he seems to find a lot of green jerseys when we play him, but he sulks, pouts like a Pop Warner kid, not an NFL leader.

And I still don't trust Brandon Marshall, medication or not.... it's hard to rely on that.
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And I've ran into Jay while drinking around chicago, what's you're point? He's a normal guy and an excellent QB who the bears have surrounded with a lot of crap that's gradually becoming less awful.
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I would agree Bushrod is not some amazing LT...Hes probably a little above average, but probably should have never made a pro-bowl. I agree he looked better b/c of Brees. But surely he is a big step up from JMarcus Webb and Chris Williams.
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Lovie's defenses "got lucky" with turnovers a hell of a lot. It reminds me of the old golf adage: "the more I practice, the luckier I get."
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If you don't think a guy slipping and falling, when open, resulting in an interception that helps win the game, is partial "luck", then you just don't know what the word luck means. These things didn't happen in the latter part of the year and your Lovie defense melted away and he got fired.

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This commentator (not me) was right when he was questioning the validity of the Bears and their record.
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Lovie's defenses "got lucky" with turnovers a hell of a lot. It reminds me of the old golf adage: "the more I practice, the luckier I get."
Lovie's defense could also get pushed around and have the top ripped off of them. So those extra turnovers came at a cost.
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First, people need to understand there is a lot of luck in sports, but it happens that some people don't think so and its all skill and talent and coaching, etc.

Second, Cutler is an average QB who can turn into an above average QB at times, and then also become a piss poor QB. I wouldn't trust him to be my team's franchise QB anymore, he's been in the league what 7 years now and hasn't progressed at all really. I don't see the Bears winning anything with him at QB.
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First, people need to understand there is a lot of luck in sports, but it happens that some people don't think so and its all skill and talent and coaching, etc.
I don't think that's the point at issue here. People understand that teams can be lucky, but when a team is so consistently lucky, there might be a different explanation for it.
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Im not gonna say the Bears didn't get lucky on the play Steve Smith fell down, but the Bears have made a habit of "stealing" games throughout Lovie Smiths tenure. Going back to his days in St. Louis as a DC, Smith has been one of the leagues best at forcing turnovers and scoring defensive touchdowns. They take risks, but they make a lot of big plays. One of the highest scoring defenses I have ever seen, and Im not just talking last year. But ultimately last year's offense was the teams doom. That OL was just awful and you cant depend that heavily on one receiver and expect to be succesful.
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Jay Cutler is an above average QB even behind that horrific Bears OL, let's not be silly. He's an above average QB can hit top 10/near-elite levels when he's in a zone and isn't throwing every single pass off his back foot while eluding the rush.
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I have to sell on the Bears as usual. Below average offense with a below-average QB. They didn't do anything to tangibly get better this offseason unless you really believe in Trestman. Plus with Briggs, Peppers, and Tillman all solidly in the twilight of their careers it's hard to believe that they'll be able to replicate their unbelievable defensive season last year.
Ya, that bolded part is just hilarious. You probably shouldn't quit your day job.
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Jay Cutler is an above average QB even behind that horrific Bears OL, let's not be silly. He's an above average QB can hit top 10/near-elite levels when he's in a zone and isn't throwing every single pass off his back foot while eluding the rush.
I haven't seen it and I think the Packers have faced him about 7 or 8 times.
And our defenses have made Warner look like the best QB of all time, made Christian Ponder look good a few games, made Colin Kaepernick look like a Hall of Famer, made Eli look like Peyton. Hell we even made Kyle Orton look good a couple years ago in KC.

But the slinger Cutler always throws em to our guys for some reason.

I've not been impressed. We even beat him in Denver in 2007.
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Might I suggest watching a player more than twice a year before forming such a vastly inaccurate opinion of him then?
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So how a player does against the Packers equates to how good they are overall. Noted.

Cutler is very inconsistent, partially because of his support but largely because of what's between his ears. When he is comfortable and isn't thinking about being inside Kristin, he has had some truly great moments and games. But then a couple games later, he thinks about hitting a bottle of Jack at 8 am Sunday instead of 8 pm Sunday, and decides to play like Caleb Hanie.

Physically he is well above average, in what he's accomplished I would say he's at worst average (he can't win in the playoffs/big games, which most avg. QBs can't), but mentally he is down there. Overall, I would say he is an average at worst QB, but there's no way anyone can logically say he is a below average QB. That's just non-sense in any argument.
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I haven't seen it and I think the Packers have faced him about 7 or 8 times.
And our defenses have made Warner look like the best QB of all time, made Christian Ponder look good a few games, made Colin Kaepernick look like a Hall of Famer, made Eli look like Peyton. Hell we even made Kyle Orton look good a couple years ago in KC.

But the slinger Cutler always throws em to our guys for some reason.

I've not been impressed. We even beat him in Denver in 2007.
The Packers dont have a bad defense. They consistently are among the league leaders in turnovers forced. The Bears have a very hard time matching up with them. Clay Mathews is one of the best pass-rushers in the league and the Bears havent had a tackle that can block him. Leading to Cutler forcing balls. Leading to the Packers' ballhawks making plays....The Packers have done this to a lot of QBs tho, especially QBs with bad offensive lines. Not fair to just name a few that had good games against the Pack and make it like Cutler is the only QB to struggle against the Pack.
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I do think that Packer fans tend to overstate the badness of our pass defense. The squad has a premier pass rusher and some very underrated cornerback talent who can cause problems for a gunslinger like Cutler.

I still think Cutler is basically the same guy that he looked like he'd be in Denver. Then again, I'm also riding the Stafford bandwagon. I might just have a healthy paranoia when it comes to division rivals.

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There's also no doubting Cutler has played like crap against the Packers. Part of it is because the Packer D has been good at forcing pressure and turnovers, and part of it, again, is Cutler's mental incapability to perform in big games most of the time. Bears-Packers games are big games every time, and then add in the ones where it's been Sunday night or late season with the playoffs on the line.
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Ya, that bolded part is just hilarious. You probably shouldn't quit your day job.
How is it hilarious? There is a very strong argument to be made that Cutler is in the bottom 50th percentile of starting QB's in the league.
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How is it hilarious? There is a very strong argument to be made that Cutler is in the bottom 50th percentile of starting QB's in the league.
aww yeah, cmarq's gunna make a fool of himself in 3....2....1.....
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In no particular order:

Brady
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Brees
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Ryan
Flacco
Manning
Roethlisburger
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Stafford
Wilson
Griffin III
Schaub
Romo
Newton
Dalton
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Everyone on that list besides arguably Dalton and Schaub are definitively better than Cutler. Plus there is a decent argument to be made for a few more guys as well. I've made my thoughts clear on Cutler in many other threads, so there is no need to rehash them here.
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