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Do people realize the season Broyles will put up opposite of Calvin if he is the real deal and can stay healthy??

Burleson is too old to capitalize.
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Why is this thread on its second page? I know I'm extending it by posting anything at all, but consider it a "meta" question.
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I spent 10 years watching Joe Gibbs build complimentary groups of receivers in particular Monk, Clark and Sanders but also Charlie Brown, Calvin Muhammed etc. All benefited from the presence of Monk who was the one constant. None of them were particularly successful away from him.
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When AZ Hakim left St. Louis is absolutely changed things for Bruce and Holt. While they both caught more passes in 2002 than in 2001, their yardage was down and, consequently, their ypc was down considerably.
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I don't really understand the point of this. It can't be proven with numbers. They play to win the game. Of course the numbers will be watered down with more mouths to feed. Numbers are meaningless. Is the question about the Team's total offensive rank/production per play with two good receivers vs only having one?
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I don't really understand the point of this. It can't be proven with numbers. They play to win the game. Of course the numbers will be watered down with more mouths to feed. Numbers are meaningless. Is the question about the Team's total offensive rank/production per play with two good receivers vs only having one?
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And who could forget this guy who fell off the face of the Earth once he bounced from Buffalo playing off Eric Moulds?

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I spent 10 years watching Joe Gibbs build complimentary groups of receivers in particular Monk, Clark and Sanders but also Charlie Brown, Calvin Muhammed etc. All benefited from the presence of Monk who was the one constant. None of them were particularly successful away from him.
Who played away from him? Gary Clark put up similar numbers with the Cardinals to the ones he put up opposite Monk the year before. His game was already slipping in Washington.

All the Redskins' receivers fell off after Gibbs was gone. Not to mention, they were getting up there in age.

Charlie Brown fell off in Washington. Same with Muhammad.
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I don't really understand the point of this. It can't be proven with numbers. They play to win the game. Of course the numbers will be watered down with more mouths to feed. Numbers are meaningless. Is the question about the Team's total offensive rank/production per play with two good receivers vs only having one?
Nope.

The point is that receivers don't benefit from other receivers. Offenses benefit, yes.

But when someone goes, "and Y receiver does this despite being double teamed all the time," or, "well, his production would be a lot higher if he had another receiver opposite him to draw coverage," or, "X receiver is overrated, he benefits from the other receiver being double teamed," etc...it's complete ********.
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I swear to god this makes me want to punch things.
We give him great examples...and then he comes up with ridiculous excuses on why the example isn't a good one.
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Moulds didn't really play with passing machines either. Well, not until Bledsoe came to the team in 2002 and force fed him and the others the ball. Moulds still put up numbers before his arrival with the likes of Doug Flutie and Rob Johnson. And if I remember correctly Price ended up reuniting with Bledsoe in 2005, yet failed to separate himself from the others and looking like what the receiver people thought he was. I think he was 4th on the depth chart behind Patrick Crayton. Even before he got there there were rumblings in Atlanta that he was suffering vision problems. He also was never much of a blocker. Whatever potential he had, he left it in Buffalo along with Moulds. He didn't have the best quarterback situation going forward, but that isn't why he stumbled.

The bad-quarterback card doesn't always hold merit anyways. You can use that excuse for practically any receiver that fails. We've had guys that have performed well with bad quarterback play. Issac Bruce looked like a star with guys like Chris Miller and Tony Banks throwing the rock. Or James Lofton all those years in Green Bay with Lynn Dickey or whomever else happened to be starting. Roddy White started to show potential before Matt Ryan came along too with a bunch of scrubs under center.
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Hey now, my dad tells me that Lynn Dickey was pretty good.
I've seen a few games regarding him. Mostly towards the end of his career. He wasn't horrible, horrible. But he wasn't that great. And the Packers weren't going anywhere under his guidance. Reminds me of Steve Beuerlein who had that one great year in 1999, but mostly was an average starter. Dickey was decent his last few years in Green Bay and helped the Packers with a good passing offense. Lofton was apart of that too big time. Mostly though he was an average starter from what I saw. And he really didn't start that many games. I guess compared to his peers during his best years he may have been one of the better quarterbacks that played. At the same time he never even made an All Pro or even Pro Bowl selection.
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I've seen a few games regarding him. Mostly towards the end of his career. He wasn't horrible, horrible. But he wasn't that great. And the Packers weren't going anywhere under his guidance. Reminds me of Steve Beuerlein who had that one great year in 1999, but mostly was an average starter. Dickey was decent his last few years in Green Bay and helped the Packers with a good passing offense. Lofton was apart of that too big time. Mostly though he was an average starter from what I saw. And he really didn't start that many games. I guess compared to his peers during his best years he may have been one of the better quarterbacks that played. At the same time he never even made an All Pro or even Pro Bowl selection.
I've also only seen a couple games. Somebody like JMike would probably know more about Dickey than I do; but from what I've heard, I think Beuerlein is a decent comparison.

The Packers of the 70's and 80's are sort of a historical black hole. If you weren't around to watch them, there's no reason to research them. Rarely horrible but never good. Nobody writes books or creates webpages about them. I know that the joke was that they were going to build the county jail in the basement of Lambeau Field so that the players could show up to the games, so I guess they were the Bengals of their time.

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I swear to god this makes me want to punch things.
We give him great examples...and then he comes up with ridiculous excuses on why the example isn't a good one.
If you don't like them they're "excuses," if you do like them they're "reasons."

You can't just throw receivers out there who declined in numbers and ignore all other factors. The quarterback is kind of a big deal in regards to a receiver's production.

You could put Eric Moulds on the Falcons with Peerless Price when Vick was the QB and neither of them would put up big numbers. Michael Vick was a black hole for a WR's numbers. He did it to Roddy White, he did it to Peerless Price, he did it to Ashley Lelie. Not just because of his inaccurate passing, but because he runs so often on passing plays that it severely reduces the chances receivers have to get the ball.

And actually, that first year Price was there, half of it was Doug Johnson.
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Moulds didn't really play with passing machines either. Well, not until Bledsoe came to the team in 2002 and force fed him and the others the ball. Moulds still put up numbers before his arrival with the likes of Doug Flutie and Rob Johnson. And if I remember correctly Price ended up reuniting with Bledsoe in 2005, yet failed to separate himself from the others and looking like what the receiver people thought he was. I think he was 4th on the depth chart behind Patrick Crayton. Even before he got there there were rumblings in Atlanta that he was suffering vision problems. He also was never much of a blocker. Whatever potential he had, he left it in Buffalo along with Moulds. He didn't have the best quarterback situation going forward, but that isn't why he stumbled.

The bad-quarterback card doesn't always hold merit anyways. You can use that excuse for practically any receiver that fails. We've had guys that have performed well with bad quarterback play. Issac Bruce looked like a star with guys like Chris Miller and Tony Banks throwing the rock. Or James Lofton all those years in Green Bay with Lynn Dickey or whomever else happened to be starting. Roddy White started to show potential before Matt Ryan came along too with a bunch of scrubs under center.
The problem with Vick, even more than his pathetic accuracy, was his style of play. An inaccurate quarterback who is at least willing to throw it down the field can still give receivers enough opportunities to make plays. But when you have Vick, who never threw the ball more than 421 times in a season (and that was the only time he even topped 400 attempts), it's another matter.

Bledsoe threw 610 passes in 2002, by comparison.

Eric Moulds deserves tons of credit for producing in some of the situations he did. No argument there. That's not relevant to Peerless Price's decline when he went to Atlanta being related to benefiting from the presence of another receiver. Note how Moulds was elite before Price.
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I've also only seen a couple games. Somebody like JMike would probably know more about Dickey than I do; but from what I've heard, I think Beuerlein is a decent comparison.

The Packers of the 70's and 80's are sort of a historical black hole. If you weren't around to watch them, there's no reason to research them. Rarely horrible but never good. Nobody writes books or creates webpages about them. I know that the joke was that they were going to build the county jail in the basement of Lambeau Field so that the players could show up to the games, so I guess they were the Bengals of their time.
You know, I actually liked their uniforms in the mid eighties when Forrest Gregg took over and the giant G was added to the arm stripes. I think the Packers should go back to them every once in a while.



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The problem with Vick, even more than his pathetic accuracy, was his style of play. An inaccurate quarterback who is at least willing to throw it down the field can still give receivers enough opportunities to make plays. But when you have Vick, who never threw the ball more than 421 times in a season (and that was the only time he even topped 400 attempts), it's another matter.

Bledsoe threw 610 passes in 2002, by comparison.

Eric Moulds deserves tons of credit for producing in some of the situations he did. No argument there. That's not relevant to Peerless Price's decline when he went to Atlanta being related to benefiting from the presence of another receiver. Note how Moulds was elite before Price.
I was just talking about Price though and how he benefited from the presence of another legitimate receiver. You're right, Moulds was good before the arrival of Price, which is why I focused on Price himself.

Price's situation wasn't helped by the fact that he had to now play with Vick in Atlanta. Certainly. However, while in Buffalo, at least for a short time he was a great compliment to Eric Moulds (minus his blocking) and made his fair share of plays while being a good number 2 receiver. And having Moulds there helped him shine. It was easy at the time to see why people thought he could have been number one material. Especially after that 2002 campaign when he broke out. But after his stint in Atlanta, he still was unable to make an impact in Dallas when he was signed and reunited with Bledsoe and simply faded into obscurity. I think playing next to Moulds helped him look better than he actually was.

Maybe if he had been put in a different situation from the start or went to a better team he would be remembered more fondly. Perhaps by the time he went to Dallas he was just looking for a paycheck. I don't know, but while in Buffalo having Moulds there helped him. If it was only him by himself I don't think he would have even sniffed his 2002 numbers.
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I've also only seen a couple games. Somebody like JMike would probably know more about Dickey than I do; but from what I've heard, I think Beuerlein is a decent comparison.

The Packers of the 70's and 80's are sort of a historical black hole. If you weren't around to watch them, there's no reason to research them. Rarely horrible but never good. Nobody writes books or creates webpages about them. I know that the joke was that they were going to build the county jail in the basement of Lambeau Field so that the players could show up to the games, so I guess they were the Bengals of their time.
I remember a game from 1984, a Monday night game in Denver when a blizzard came in and took over. The Broncos jumped out early and forced the Packers to throw in the snow the entire second half. Dickey almost pulled off the comeback, throwing for 371 yards (which I want to say was a MNF record at the time). James Lofton caught 11 for 206, including a 54 yard TD in the 4th quarter. I still remember it like it was yesterday, and thinking that this was a game I would never forget. I was in the 7th grade.
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My very first favorite player.

I wish I could remember more about them. I was like 5yrs old. All I know is that Dickey, Lofton, and Jefferson were sexy.
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