Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > 2014 NFL Draft Forum

2014 NFL Draft Forum Discuss the 2014 NFL Draft

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-11-2013, 11:56 AM    (permalink
shylo3716
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: 757 Virginia
Posts: 3,311
Reputation: 80085
shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default Karlos Williams, S, Florida State

Whenever there is topic of discussion for eligible 2014 Safety prospects Clinton-Dix always headlines the talk. Karlos Williams is a SS prospect who I believe is not too far off from becoming a 1st Rounder himself. Hard-hitting is an understatement when it comes to his ability to decleat an opponent. At 6'1'' 230 he is very versatile on the field which is why he is also plugged in as his teams Kick Returner.

Reminds me of LaRon Landry with a Sean Taylor motor

__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown
The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
ATL College Park Zone 3* +20 swagger Bonus pts
shylo3716 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2013, 03:44 PM    (permalink
MassNole
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,698
Reputation: 512980
MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

He will be playing a hybrid role for FSU this year that is package dependent and will go between a LB and Strong Safety (in the traditional sense not Mark Stoops' verbage that flipped FS and SS). Along with that he is a deadly Kick Returner.
MassNole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2013, 03:46 PM    (permalink
shylo3716
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: 757 Virginia
Posts: 3,311
Reputation: 80085
shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MassNole View Post
He will be playing a hybrid role for FSU this year that is package dependent and will go between a LB and Strong Safety (in the traditional sense not Mark Stoops' verbage that flipped FS and SS). Along with that he is a deadly Kick Returner.
By him playing LB I fear that he may turn into Thomas Davis and get stuck at that position on the next level.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown
The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
ATL College Park Zone 3* +20 swagger Bonus pts
shylo3716 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2013, 04:40 PM    (permalink
BallerT1215
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: South Florida
Posts: 7,242
Reputation: 1824401
BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BallerT1215 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

There is no way that he shouldn't have been on the field more last season. I never understood that with Stoops especially since once he put him into more of the rotation towards the end of last season, he was making plays and big hits.

I'm really excited to see him as a full time player in this defense, and I really think people that forgot about him are going to be really surprised by his play this season.

/Homerism.
__________________

Sig by the King BK


Fear the Spear - Winston Era has begun....
Quote:
"I wasn't going to lose to Miami, no matter what," Freeman said. "It means a lot to go out there and beat them. Every time I get a chance, I want to destroy them."
BallerT1215 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2013, 05:44 PM    (permalink
katnip
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,045
Reputation: 14648
katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.katnip is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shylo3716 View Post
By him playing LB I fear that he may turn into Thomas Davis and get stuck at that position on the next level.
Or former USC hybrid, Darnell Bing

I hope
__________________
Jets, Mets, Knicks, and the U's too cool for uze

Sig by, Hitman D
katnip is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2013, 06:26 PM    (permalink
shylo3716
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: 757 Virginia
Posts: 3,311
Reputation: 80085
shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by BallerT1215 View Post
There is no way that he shouldn't have been on the field more last season. I never understood that with Stoops especially since once he put him into more of the rotation towards the end of last season, he was making plays and big hits.

I'm really excited to see him as a full time player in this defense, and I really think people that forgot about him are going to be really surprised by his play this season.

/Homerism.
Even if Karlos never played a down how can one forget about him after this.....


__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown
The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
ATL College Park Zone 3* +20 swagger Bonus pts
shylo3716 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2013, 12:00 AM    (permalink
TitanHope
Website Contributor
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Cloud 9
Posts: 12,924
Reputation: 5878129
TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.TitanHope is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Loved him coming out of high school, and can't wait to see him play this year. Fudge Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix! #Karlos4Lyfe
__________________
Still Team The Ke$ha!!!

[@TDWinstead]
Quote:
Originally Posted by MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) View Post
Damn Ke$ha is sexy.
TitanHope is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2013, 03:23 AM    (permalink
Caulibflower
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seahawks Diaspora
Posts: 4,794
Reputation: 1553125
Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Caulibflower is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

He'd be the perfect understudy for Kam Chancellor.
Caulibflower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2013, 08:34 AM    (permalink
Ozzy
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,127
Reputation: 251112
Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Karlos is a very good safey prospect, really impressed with his tape and the toughness he shows. Will have to improve on his coverage however at times, a little stuff and like someone already said he will be playing some linebacker and safety this year. Hope it is not the case where he moves to linebacker like Nick Moody did but we will see.

Clinton-Dix is better in coverage and that is why people have him above a guy like Karlos. As for the Sean Taylor Landry stuff, neither one of these players are even close to that same level in my opinion yet, no real safety is in the nation for that matter.
__________________
Ozzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 09:46 AM    (permalink
MassNole
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,698
Reputation: 512980
MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
Karlos is a very good safey prospect, really impressed with his tape and the toughness he shows. Will have to improve on his coverage however at times, a little stuff and like someone already said he will be playing some linebacker and safety this year. Hope it is not the case where he moves to linebacker like Nick Moody did but we will see.

Clinton-Dix is better in coverage and that is why people have him above a guy like Karlos. As for the Sean Taylor Landry stuff, neither one of these players are even close to that same level in my opinion yet, no real safety is in the nation for that matter.
He was actually Nick Moody's backup at LB and took over for him in the ACCCG. He won't be a pure LB in any sense of the word, instead the plan is to use his athleticism and let him float to create issues in reading a defense and coverage at the snap.
MassNole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 11:07 AM    (permalink
mightytitan9
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 4,458
Reputation: 1000527
mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Is that Michael Boulware out there? Seriously, this guy is best advised to move to LBer and stay there. He has a chance to be a great coverage WLB/MLB or he can be an average liability safety unless he vastly improves his coverage
mightytitan9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 02:20 PM    (permalink
shylo3716
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: 757 Virginia
Posts: 3,311
Reputation: 80085
shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mightytitan9 View Post
Is that Michael Boulware out there? Seriously, this guy is best advised to move to LBer and stay there. He has a chance to be a great coverage WLB/MLB or he can be an average liability safety unless he vastly improves his coverage
What makes you think he can't stick it out at Safety?

I hate Safety to Linebacker transitions
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown
The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
ATL College Park Zone 3* +20 swagger Bonus pts
shylo3716 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 02:38 PM    (permalink
mightytitan9
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 4,458
Reputation: 1000527
mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shylo3716 View Post
What makes you think he can't stick it out at Safety?

I hate Safety to Linebacker transitions
Just not impressed in his coverage ability. I'm not saying he's a lost cause at safety, he can still develop at FSU but so far not overly impressed
mightytitan9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 02:44 PM    (permalink
CashmoneyDrew
Icon
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ohhhhh yeeeaahhyya
Posts: 16,455
Reputation: 4232269
CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shylo3716 View Post
I hate Safety to Linebacker transitions
Why? Worked well for Brian Urlacher and Keith Bulluck.
__________________
Credit to BoneKrusher for the Sig
RIP themaninblack
CashmoneyDrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 03:23 PM    (permalink
shylo3716
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: 757 Virginia
Posts: 3,311
Reputation: 80085
shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CashmoneyDrew View Post
Why? Worked well for Brian Urlacher and Keith Bulluck.
The same reason why I hate Sir Charles Woodson from CB to S move... In my book I believe they are writing you off when they move you.

The Kenny Tate experiment at LB never worked out on the collegiate level. I just hate the idea of moving a physical freak at S to LB.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown
The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
ATL College Park Zone 3* +20 swagger Bonus pts

Last edited by shylo3716 : 08-15-2013 at 03:26 PM.
shylo3716 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 03:51 PM    (permalink
MassNole
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,698
Reputation: 512980
MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mightytitan9 View Post
Is that Michael Boulware out there? Seriously, this guy is best advised to move to LBer and stay there. He has a chance to be a great coverage WLB/MLB or he can be an average liability safety unless he vastly improves his coverage
He hasn't really played enough to judge his coverage ability. Not a lot was asked of him in then old scheme of coverage but I don't really remember him getting beat deep either. In the new scheme is coverage skills will be put much more to the test and we can get a proper evaluation on him.
MassNole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 03:54 PM    (permalink
shylo3716
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: 757 Virginia
Posts: 3,311
Reputation: 80085
shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MassNole View Post
He hasn't really played enough to judge his coverage ability. Not a lot was asked of him in then old scheme of coverage but I don't really remember him getting beat deep either. In the new scheme is coverage skills will be put much more to the test and we can get a proper evaluation on him.
I'll give him a pre 2nd Round grade right now.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown
The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
ATL College Park Zone 3* +20 swagger Bonus pts
shylo3716 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 03:55 PM    (permalink
MassNole
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,698
Reputation: 512980
MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shylo3716 View Post
The same reason why I hate Sir Charles Woodson from CB to S move... In my book I believe they are writing you off when they move you.

The Kenny Tate experiment at LB never worked out on the collegiate level. I just hate the idea of moving a physical freak at S to LB.
I think a move like Woodson's is completely different than changing positions in college. With the rapid rise of the Spread offense a different type of athlete is now needed on defense. Sort of like the Percy Harvin position at Florida but only on defense. Karlos Williams is a freakish athlete who can fill that exact role which makes defining his position at the next level to be difficult. Honestly I could see him putting his hand on the ground as a pass rusher at times with his size and being able to cause havoc.

I think the best case NFL comparison for him is Carnell Lake.
MassNole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 03:58 PM    (permalink
MassNole
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,698
Reputation: 512980
MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.MassNole is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shylo3716 View Post
I'll give him a pre 2nd Round grade right now.
Looking at the past draft and the value teams put on athleticism over experience or on field production I actually think that is a fair grade right now. Can anyone else think of a tweener LB/S who is also an extremely dangerous kick returner?

This is basically the collegiate description of Brian Urlacher. Now that isn't to say he goes out to be a HOFer, but at this stage that is probably the best comparison and enough for some team to spend a Top 50 pick on him right now.
MassNole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 04:13 PM    (permalink
CashmoneyDrew
Icon
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Ohhhhh yeeeaahhyya
Posts: 16,455
Reputation: 4232269
CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.CashmoneyDrew is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by shylo3716 View Post
The same reason why I hate Sir Charles Woodson from CB to S move... In my book I believe they are writing you off when they move you.

The Kenny Tate experiment at LB never worked out on the collegiate level. I just hate the idea of moving a physical freak at S to LB.
Woodson got moved because he's getting old dude. That happens to really good corners.

Kenny Tate didn't work out because of injuries and because he just wasn't that good.

I'm not saying a move would 100% work, but there is precedent that it can work, and it can work very well.
__________________
Credit to BoneKrusher for the Sig
RIP themaninblack
CashmoneyDrew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 04:27 PM    (permalink
mightytitan9
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 4,458
Reputation: 1000527
mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.mightytitan9 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Kenny Tate was just a big softy.
mightytitan9 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2013, 04:30 PM    (permalink
Ozzy
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,127
Reputation: 251112
Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

With the linebacker safety thing, Brian Urlacher like someone already mentioned, the main success story with that transition. Cato June is another one, he was a legit safety in college, moved to linebacker in the pros and had a great career.

South Carolina does this a lot with their players, guys like Antonio Allen and Darian Stewart played their spur position and both have potential at safety in the NFL. Not great players but are around.

Devonte Holloman the latest spur from South Carolina, he could be an absolute star at linebacker and like many have said it is because of his coverage potential. Was a stud in college and played linebacker a lot their and clearly has the athletic ability. Moving him to safety it would be great but it is a speed issue.


Taylor Mays, not a great college player, underachieved his first few years in the NFL. No one says move him to linebacker. Why? Because he has insane speed, and because of that he can cover and is playing more on more on the Bengals. Eddie Pleasant is doing decent out of Oregon, played a lot of linebacker in college but his speed allows him to play SS.


Guys like Harrison Smith started at linebacker on Notre Dame, but with his speed he can cover. But a guy like Myron Rolle, potential, smart kid but he simply could not run, and was not gifted in terms of toughness to play linebacker.



Back to Karlos, he either can run or he cannot, I think he can though because he does return kicks and should show improved coverage ability when he gets more playing time this season.
__________________
Ozzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2013, 02:55 PM    (permalink
BuddyCHRIST
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Tallahassee FL
Posts: 1,935
Reputation: 65704
BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.BuddyCHRIST is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

The talk about Karlos Williams coverage ability is pure nonsense because he hasn't played enough to even make an evaluation. He was pretty much never in a deep safety look when teams were throwing.

Basically any evaluations you make on him now are based on athleticism, because he simply hasn't played much in a regular position.

He definitely has the speed to play safety as shown by his returns and kick coverage. Safety is a lot about smarts and instincts though so it will be interesting to see how he looks starting next year.
BuddyCHRIST is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2013, 07:45 PM    (permalink
Ozzy
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,127
Reputation: 251112
Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Ozzy is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Jamarca Sanford is another player, at Ole Miss he was a standout safety as a younger prospect, then they put him at outside linebacker I think. That never worked out great but he was still a good player and possibly they but him back at safety but I cannot remember. Took some time but has worked his way into a starting position at safety now in the NFL for the Vikings. In college though teams will always want to make the defense faster and move a safety down to linebacker to do that, especially if you have depth at safety and not at linebacker.

And it makes sense with all the up temp, spread fast pace offenses.
__________________
Ozzy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2013, 07:09 PM    (permalink
shylo3716
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: 757 Virginia
Posts: 3,311
Reputation: 80085
shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.shylo3716 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...os-williams-rb

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Karlos Williams was projected as a defensive star when he arrived at Florida State as the No. 5 overall recruit in the nation in 2011, but Jimbo Fisher announced Monday that Williams' future would be on offense.

Williams has worked the past two days at running back, Fisher said, and going forward, he expects the move to be permanent.

"He's 6-1, 232 pounds, runs a 10.5 100 meters, an catch, can run, is very natural with the ball in his hand, is physical, fast, learns," Fisher said. "He's doing a really nice job and I think he can provide not just depth there, but he can drive some spark there."

Fisher said the move wasn't based on Williams' struggles at safety, but the reviews of his play were tepid at best. When Lamarcus Joyner moved to corner this offseason, it was widely expected Williams would take over a starting job, but he was unable to lock down the spot on the depth chart during fall camp. Tyler Hunter started Monday's game at safety alongside Terrence Brooks.

Williams' high-water mark on defense came in an emergency stint at linebacker in last year's ACC Championship, when he made 11 tackles and secured a game-clinching interception. He's also starred as a kick returner, but Fisher said he believed Williams' best chance to make a significant impact was at running back. It's a discussion Fisher said they've had before, but Williams finally agreed.

"It's what I think you can be, where I think your best future is, and where you can help this football team," Fisher said. "But if you force somebody to do something they don't want to do, they're not going to be good at it."

Fisher said Williams worked at running back sparingly during fall camp, but he said the junior was "very enthusiastic" about the move.

Fisher said the move was necessitated in part because of a lack of depth at tailback. Redshirt freshman Mario Pender was ruled academically ineligible just before the start of the season, and junior James Wilder Jr. is dealing with a shoulder bruise. Fisher said he doesn't expect Wilder to miss time -- FSU is on a bye this week -- but he said Williams can provide a home-run threat on offense.

"He's very natural with the ball in his hands," Fisher said, "and he can change numbers on the scoreboard."

Williams, whose older brother Vince, a linebacker, was selected in the sixth-round of this year's draft by Pittsburgh Steelers, was a consensus five-star recruit as a safety, but he did occasionally get work at tailback in high school, too. He ran 69 times for 564 yards and seven touchdowns as a senior.
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown
The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
ATL College Park Zone 3* +20 swagger Bonus pts
shylo3716 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.