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Old 07-29-2013, 01:34 PM    (permalink
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A wild goose chase isn't searching for evidence, it's due procedure. What do you think happens in any murder case? They murder weapon is mailed to them? No, they search for it.



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"In listening to their recounting of the evidence that they have today they have a sophisticated and extensive series of modern evidence; the text messages, surveillance cameras, the GPS records and the like," Coyne said. "But what they don't have is the proverbial smoking gun, the actual murder weapon, the fingerprints on it that they can ballistically test.

"So it's still going to be at the end of the day a reasonable doubt case, but the evidence they had today shows quite extensively what is likely Hernandez's involvement and role in what the government describes as an execution-style slaying."

Even if the murder weapon isn't found in the investigation and Hernandez is proved to not be the shooter, Hernandez could still be convicted with first-degree murder, according to Coyne.

"He's been charged and will continue to be, and can be convicted of first-degree murder even without the murder weapon, even if he's not one of the three people that pulled the trigger," Coyne said.

"The three of them got together, decided they were going to execute him. The fact that the final bullet didn't come out of Hernandez's gun but one of his joint-venturers guns, that would still leave him potentially liable for first-degree murder."
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The murder weapon is just going to build a stronger case but there is already a damned good case against him. The fact that you they are on a wild goose chase with evidence a mile long is hilarious to me. If you honestly think they have no case you need to read more up on this trial, everything is very detailed and descriptive. They don't even need the murder weapon to get him convicted, look up reasonable doubt.
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That picture does absolutely nothing for the prosecution. NOTHING.

What does that exactly prove? That he held a gun? Cool story. How does that prove that he killed Floyd again?

All of the evidence of the prosecution is highly circumstantial. Everything they say can easily be thrown out in a court of law.

Why do you think they're scrambling for more time? They have no real hard evidence against Hernandez. Everyone and their mom knows Hernandez did it, but until they have some real evidence Hernandez is safe. They don't have the murder weapon. So how exactly is a picture of Hernandez holding a random gun that a billion people also have evidence that he killed Floyd?

Oh he had shell casings? Really? Guess what? Everyone who has that gun has the same shell casings. And that gun is pretty popular. So what does that prove again?

Oh testimony? From a recovering crackhead who fell asleep? Sounds solid.

They have no real evidence. None.
they have video of his car driving to the murder scene with 4 passengers mins before Lloyd was killed, then leaving mins later with only 3 passengers. shortly thereafter, they have a picture of hernandez in his home carrying the same type of weapon that just killed someone he knows just a short distance from his home.

hernandez also destroyed his phone and security system, and (obviously) hasnt turned in the gun that he can clearly be seen holding in the picture. why hide it if youre innocent?

if im on the jury, hes guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, that ****s obvious as hell. then again, so was OJ and he walked somehow.
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I'm not sure how dependable this source is, but the way things are going, by the time the Odin Lloyd case ever makes it to a courtroom Aaron Hernandez could be facing a bunch of other charges.

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I hope he doesn't, but at this point I'm thinking he's found guilty of a lesser charge. Bc they don't have any direct evidence linking him to the murder.

I just fail to see any strong evidence against Hernandez that cannot be easily refuted in a court of law.

Do I think he's guilty? Of course! But perception and the ability to prove it are 2 different things. They need the murder weapon. Or DNA evidence.

Bc right now their evidence is pretty weak. Emphasis on "in a court of law" bc the evidence makes sense and adds up, but a good lawyer can get half of this evidence thrown out bc of how circumstantial it is.
the prosecution does have their ace in the hole for this case: the blue bubblicious. if it's chewed, then you're screwed.
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I just can't help but asking...was the Blue Bubbilicious Gator Blue or Patriot Blue?
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap...Hernandez-case

This is crazy to me. If he beats this case, does anyone pick him up?
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I think there is always someone who will take a flier.
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Pretty sure with all the gangs he would fit right in.
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For whatever reason I feel like he would beast it for Dallas with Whitten.
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This may have been discussed earlier but could Hernandez and his 2 friends be charged with murder if there is not clear evidence who the exact shooter is?
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This may have been discussed earlier but could Hernandez and his 2 friends be charged with murder if there is not clear evidence who the exact shooter is?
Yes...you don't have to be the person pulling the trigger. They can be accomplices or co-principals. It'll be interesting to see if they can get one to roll over on him.
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That video that was posted said that the two guys snitched on Hernandez for immunity but the jury might find it hard to believe two convicted felons.
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Anyone else read the Rolling Stone article? Some really, really interesting stuff about the case that unfortunately makes the Patriots look really bad. We really should have known and taken a heavier hand throughout the course of all of this. It sounds like it was headed that way even before this mess went down, but I honestly can't get past the fact that we either didn't know or didn't care about the things Hernandez was doing off the field. Weed is one thing(although bathing in it after games pushes it a bit), but PCP, nightclub brawls, and ties to shootings(granted, police hadn't linked him to some of them, but the Florida stuff) are another entirely. Hernandez was a great player and we always give guys a clean slate when they come into our organization, but we're supposed to be better than this. Disappointed.
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Yeah I read it, thought it was a great read and very interesting. It's really heartbreaking what happened to him when his father died and how is mom acted. I can't imagine that it can be easy to be in an environment without your Dad, your big brother is in college, and your mom decided to marry an abusive crack dealer who now lives with you. That's a recipe for diasaster. One of the scariest things to me was how easy it was for him to see the solution to a problem be firing a gun at the person who you have a problem with. The part about Belichick firing the old security guy for the Patriots in favor of a more hands off guy with less connections was troublbing to me as a Patriots fan. That makes the people who say Belichick is wielding to much power within the organization look correct. It looks like the loss of the only adult who loved and cared for him caused him to spiral out of control.
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There's certainly a human element to every story like this, but I find it very hard to sympathize with someone who is selfish enough to take human life(perhaps multiple times) for absolutely no reason. In the end, you are who you are. I think anyone coming from that kind of background would be angry, but all this "falling in with the wrong crowd" nonsense just doesn't do it for me. It's fairly well documented that sob stories are more interesting to us than calling something for what it is. If that sort of lifestyle wasn't appealing to him, he wouldn't have ended up mixed up in it. You either control your circumstances or you let them control you. The latter usually leads to trouble

....That's not to say that he wasn't dealt a rough hand. His Mom clearly isn't the greatest judge of character. It's just inconsequential when you're talking about someone who probably killed three people has tried for three more over nightclub ********.

I really don't buy too much into the security firing thing being a huge deal. The quote the guy gave really makes it sound like someone has some sour grapes about something that went down a decade ago. We've brought through some players with some background issues before(mostly about football/team things, but lately we've brought in some actual assholes with priors with Hernandez, Dennard, and Talib) and don't have a huge record or criminal incidents while players are with us from 2003 onward. That's not to say some of the details involved in that but if we really were paying people to keep an eye on this sort of thing they either weren't doing a NEARLY good enough job or the team simply didn't care. I think it has to be a fair portion of the latter considering how much of this was out there pre-draft within personnel circles. As a resident of the community and an avid customer of the product, I would be lying to you if I said I liked hearing either.

If we just didn't know enough(I don't think Kraft would put himself on the line publicly with a legal situation pending if there wasn't at least an element of that with team management), then we simply weren't doing our due diligence managing a player that was known to be a significant character risk. If we didn't care...that doesn't make me feel terribly good about rooting for the team.

At the end of the day, the Patriots primary objective is to win football games and put the best product they can on the field, but they've been very careful to construct an image of not putting up with exactly the kind of behaviors Hernandez was partaking in. It's impossible to know exactly what the organization knew and when they knew it, but there seems to be some evidence that we were aware of at least some of this before giving him that contract. If Rolling Stone is to be believed, there were certainly multiple red flags...and yet we swept it under the rug and made him filthy rich. That honestly blows my mind.
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Keep in mind that this article was written by Ron Borges, who's up there with Dan Shaughnessy as Boston's most-hated writer, and someone who's always trying to stick it to the Pats.
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Ron Borges... Write something negative about the Patriots? No way. He loves them. Especially Belichick.

If I told you a magazine had a glorified blogger (he's a "columnist" for the Boston Herald) write this, most people wouldn't give it two seconds of thought because it lacks credibility. Add to that the fact that the magazine is Rolling Stone and Ron Borges is the biggest anti-Patriots writer...

I'll believe it when someone credible puts their support behind it.
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To be fair, much of what he said in the article sounds pretty spot on, and a reputable former Patriots writer Greg A Bedard said on twitter that the article was accurate.
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Zero doubt that anything that could be slanted in any way was slanted because of Borges. The former security guy thing reeked of him. He's certainly a prick....but I don't think he's an outright liar. Especially on this scale.

Anonymous sources are anonymous sources, but this didn't sound made up to me. I think a lot of people in the area won't like who is delivering this story, with both Rolling Stone and Borges being on our **** list, but I just don't think you can dismiss it entirely that easily. We've heard rumblings about this kind of stuff before the story even came out.
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How is an entire magazine on Pats fans **** list?
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The cover of the boston bomber...
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