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What if Charles Haley was never traded to the Cowboys? A very underestimated transactions imo.
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What if KiJana Carter didn't blow out his knees??

What if Curtis Enis turned into the next Earl Campbell the way he was projected for the Bears??
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He was a good back but he never averaged 100 yards a game for a season like other backs have. Only broke 1000 yards twice in his career (although 14 game seasons) He scored a lot though. Still was a great player but not amazing statistically.
But he also scored 9 receiving TD's and 8 return TD's. 56 touchdowns in a short career.
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What if Eric Dickerson never gets traded to Indianapolis?
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Different era. He would not get in today.
I agree. The bar for HOF running backs was much lower back then and Sayers finished his career ranked 3rd for rushing yds per game.

Hugh McElhenny:
143 games
5,281 yds
38 rush TDs

Lenny Moore:
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5,174 yds
63 rush TDs

Ollie Matson:
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Marion Motley:
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What if Mo Lewis lets up right before he hits Drew Bledsoe?
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What if Peyton Manning never existed?
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Gale Sayers is getting underrated. He only had 2 1k yard seasons but both of those lead the league. It was a different game back then an Sayers was just something completely unique. They couldn't fix up knees like they do now so those injuries basically ended his career in a hurry. He is a player that I think would fit right in today and he probably would have had a much longer career with proper surgery.

He was a special player. The stats don't tell nearly the full story.
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what if the refs let the call on the field stand in the tuck rule game?

is Tom Brady still Tom Brady?
Does Bledsoe get his starting job back?
Does Bellichick still lead the pats to dominance?

its crazy the greatest dynasty of this era and it all started with one of the worst calls in nfl history


is it gonna happen all over again w/ seattle?
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what if the raiders never traded jon gruden?
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Or, what if he had left after his junior year and been drafted by the Jets? I don't even want to think about NYC's perpetual Manning-gasm.
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Or, what if he had left after his junior year and been drafted by the Jets? I don't even want to think about NYC's perpetual Manning-gasm.
I'm not sure they would be able to not push him away in the years before he won the superbowl. With all his early playoff exits, NY would be killing him.


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They would have won that SB and not completely fallen apart as a franchise hopefully.
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What if Eric Dickerson never gets traded to Indianapolis?
If the three-way trade between the Rams, Colts, and Bills doesn't get done before the 1987 trade deadline, talks would have continued in the off-season, and something probably would have been worked out then.

The Rams and Dickerson couldn't find common ground, and I think they were sick of him because of his constant complaining over money. And, as for the Bills, Polian wanted Cornelius Bennett very badly.

Here's another WI in dealing with this, though:

What if the Rams would have drafted better with the picks they got in the trade? For example:

1988

1st Rd (14th overall): Took Gaston Green, should have drafted WR Anthony Miller.

1st Rd (20th overall): Took Aaron Cox, should have taken Thurman Thomas or CB Eric Allen.

1989

1st Rd (21st and 26th overall, 26th from Buffalo): Took DE Bill Hawkins and RB Cleveland Gary, should have drafted LT David Williams and G Steve Wisniewski.

2nd Rd (Picked 45th, 48th, and 53rd. The 45th and 53rd picks were part of the Dickerson trade): Took LB Frank Stams, Brian Smith, and CB Darryl Henley, who would go to jail in the mid-90's for a long time for drug trafficking. Should have taken CB Robert Massey, C Mark Stepnoski, and OLB Jerrol Williams.
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what if the refs let the call on the field stand in the tuck rule game?

is Tom Brady still Tom Brady?
Does Bledsoe get his starting job back?
Does Bellichick still lead the pats to dominance?

its crazy the greatest dynasty of this era and it all started with one of the worst calls in nfl history
1. No, Brady wouldn't have been Tom Brady. The only reason that he is rated high is because he QB'ed three SB winners. No tuck, no three SB wins, in all likelihood.

2. I don't know. On one hand, Drew just signed a 10 year deal around 2000-01. On the other hand, Brady did a decent job, so it's hard to say.

3. No. I don't think so, although they are contenders because of a mediocre AFC East.
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Everyone talks about the Herschel Walker trade in 1989 as one of the worst ever as it helped launch a dynasty in Dallas, but the Eric Dickerson trade just two years earlier could have easily turned the Rams into a dominant team. They were a 10-6 team in 1988 and 11-5 a year later, while armed with 4 first round and 6 second round picks in both years.

Another what if?

Sterling Sharpe - I think he'd still be 2nd all-time in receptions and receiving yards with a bust in Canton.
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What if the Miami Dolphins didn't mess up about Drew Brees' shoulder and sign him? Would Brees still developped into the QB he now is? Would the Dolphins have challenged for a Superbowl? Would Nick Saban still be in the NFL? What would happen with New Orleans and Sean Payton?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2368259

Fleeced: Vikings pawn-off Culpepper to Miami for second-round pick
By Len Pasquarelli and John Clayton | ESPN.com -Updated: March 15, 2006, 2:36 PM ET



The Dolphins decided to stop waiting for Chargers quarterback Drew Brees to lower his contract demands and opted to give the Vikings a second-round choice to acquire quarterback Daunte Culpepper.

Brees agreed to a six-year, $60 million deal with the New Orleans Saints on Tuesday. The deal includes a $10 million signing bonus.

Miami coach Nick Saban revisited the trade talks with the Vikings on Monday, after Dolphins officials determined that the contract demands of Brees were more than they wanted to invest.

Culpepper passed his physical for the Dolphins and Miami scheduled a Wednesday afternoon news conference to introduce their new starting quarterback.

Culpepper had been talking to the Dolphins for the past week, expressing his desire to be with the Dolphins along with showing a willingness to rework his contract to fit into the Dolphins salary cap. Contract talks between the Dolphins and Brees have been stalled because the Saints had more money and more guarantees on the table from the Saints.

Vikings coach Brad Childress said recently Culpepper is on schedule in his rehab from surgery in which he tore three knee ligaments after having a trainer fly to Florida to meet with Culpepper. The recovery time from such major surgery is 12 months, but Culpepper has told the Dolphins that he's ahead of schedule and may be able to play before September.

Brees is coming off January surgery to repair a torn labrum and also a partially torn rotator cuff in his right shoulder. The Dolphins spent much of Monday putting Brees, who is currently rehabilitating the shoulder in Birmingham, Ala., under renowned orthopedist Dr. James Andrews, through a lengthy battery of tests. It is not known how much the results of those tests entered into the decision to pursue Culpepper instead.

Miami released last year's starter, Gus Frerotte, on Tuesday. He would have cost the team $4.38 million against the salary cap this year.

Frerotte went 9-6 as a starter in his only year with Miami, and threw a career-high 18 touchdown passes. The 12-year veteran has played for six NFL teams.

Upset by Culpepper's public attempts to force a divorce, Minnesota determined last week to trade the unhappy quarterback and ratcheted up their dialogue with possible suitors. The situation, however, was so awkwardly handled by both Culpepper and the Vikings that trade talks dragged on, interested franchises came and went, and Minnesota eventually found itself with few options.

Daunte Culpepper Quarterback Minnesota Vikings

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Att Comp Yds TD Int Rat
216 139 1395 6 12 72.0

In an e-mail last week, the fourth he has sent to Twin Cities and national reporters since last month, Culpepper wrote: "Now that I have confirmed that the Vikings have been seeking to trade me, I have asked for permission to speak to the interested teams. The Vikings have denied my request. If a trade does not happen, then I am asking the Vikings to terminate my contract as soon as possible."

Minnesota was scheduled to pay Culpepper a $6 million roster bonus on March 20 as part of a contract enhancement new owner Zygi Wilf added to the quarterback's existing deal last summer. It remains to be seen how the Dolphins deal with that obligation. Miami almost certainly will want to readjust the contract as part of the trade.

But the contract, which runs through 2013 and pays a base salary of $2 million for this year, was just one of the several elements that complicated the trade negotiations with several teams.

Culpepper, 29, continues to rehabilitate his right knee and, while he is said to have made substantial progress in his recovery, the injury was a severe one. Culpepper tore three ligaments in the knee in an Oct. 30 game at Carolina and has been rehabilitating in the Orlando, Fla., area. First-year Vikings head coach Brad Childress would have preferred that Culpepper continue his rehabilitation at the team's facility.

It was not immediately known if the Dolphins did any preliminary examination of Culpepper's knee.

In addition, Culpepper still faces misdemeanor charges related to the so-called "Love Boat" scandal of last September, an incident allegedly involving some Vikings teammates. And, finally, Culpepper split during this offseason with longtime agent Mason Ashe, and has been representing himself. He may need to hire representation to help him deal with the Dolphins in any contract restructuring.

Culpepper's base salaries for the seasons after this one rise dramatically, to $5.5 million in 2007 and $6 million each for 2008-2009.

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During Nick "Satan" Saban's tenure, the Dolphins search for a quarterback led them to a crossroads: Sign Drew Brees, who was recovering from a torn rotator cuff, or Daunte Culpepper, who was recovering from a severe knee injury.

The Dolphins gambled on Culpepper instead of Brees. Miami was 1-3 with Culpepper that season before he went down with another injury. That was it for Daunte's Dolphin Era.

He played three more seasons in Oakland and Detroit, going 2-14 as a starter.

Brees signed with the Saints and right away threw for 4,418 yards in 2006. He's 62-33 as a starter with the Saints, won the Super Bowl in 2010 and broke Dan Marino's single-season passing record in 2011.

Brees is the only quarterback in NFL history to reach 400+ yards passing in consecutive playoff games, which he has done in three straight postseason games (2010 vs. Seattle; 2011 vs. Detroit; 2011 vs. San Francisco). Sports Illustrated named him as its 2010 Sportsman of the Year.

Brees holds the NFL single-season record for most passing yards in a season by a quarterback, with 5,476 yards, which he accomplished during the 2011 season.
That year Brees also set NFL records for highest completion percentage in a season – 71.2%, most 300+ yard passing games in a season – 13, and most completions in a season – 468.

Brees has the 2nd highest career completion percentage among all quarterbacks in NFL history with at least 2,500+ attempts – 65.6%.

He also has the highest career post-season completion percentage – 66.8%. Brees holds the record for most consecutive games with at least 1 touchdown pass (54), surpassing Johnny Unitas's record of 47 on October 7, 2012.

According to NFL Network's "Top 10 Records Never to be Broken," Unitas' 47 consecutive games with a touchdown pass was listed at number two.

Brees is the fastest player in NFL history to reach 40,000 yards passing. He is also the all-time NFL leader in career passing yards per game, and he is the only player in NFL history with multiple 5,000 yard passing seasons.




A BIT MORE ON THIS BREES & MIAMI stuff:
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Dec 17, 2012
-“We chose Drew Brees,” Saban told Dan Le Batard of 790 The Ticket in Miami. “I’ve never ever talked about this publicly. . . . That’s the guy we made the first offer to.”

Saban said that Brees failed the physical after Brees and the Dolphins had agreed to terms.
Brees had suffered a shoulder injury during the final game of the 2005 regular season.

Instead, the Dolphins sent a second-round pick to the Vikings for quarterback Daunte Culpepper, who had torn his ACL, MCL, and PCL during an October 2005 game against the Panthers.

Since Saban never does anything without a plan, the plan could be to clean the slate on the perception that he picked Culpepper over Brees, shifting the blame to the doctors and....
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I think it's fair to say The University of Georgia has shaped the NFL over the last 25 years. The Herschel Walker trade, Mo Lewis injuring Drew Bledsoe, Major NFL pipeline, etc. What if UGA didn't exist?
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I think it's fair to say The University of Georgia has shaped the NFL over the last 25 years. The Herschel Walker trade, Mo Lewis injuring Drew Bledsoe, Major NFL pipeline, etc. What if UGA didn't exist?
Georgia Tech is in the SEC, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, and Florida State carve up Georgia for recruiting purposes and all those players go to other schools and still end up in the NFL.
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What if Bernard Pollard didn't exist? As Bill Simmons says he is the "John Wilkes Booth" of New England football.
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what if the RAvens offense didnt blow, and Caldwell didnt suck and the Bears had any other starting QB except Rex Grossman. How would the Eli VS. Peyton debate go if Peyton had 0 rings and Eli has 2.
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What if Bernard Pollard didn't exist? As Bill Simmons says he is the "John Wilkes Booth" of New England football.
Simmons is a drama queen and a baby.

He did a column this year on Grantland about how Tim Duncan is a TV Show or something.

There is a blog called Bottom of the Barrel that did a good job critiquing it:

Part 1: http://bottom-of-the-barrel.blogspot...duncan-is.html

Part 2: http://bottom-of-the-barrel.blogspot...can-is_18.html

In the first one, Simmons was being dramatic about the Celts not winning the 1997 Draft Lottery, and he said that he would put scalding acid in his eyes. The Blog owner said "Grow a pair you little drama queen" in his critique.

Reading Bill's stuff is entertaining, but he is a strange cat.

He once did an NBA preview on Page 2 using quotes from Boogie Nights.
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What if Bernard Pollard didn't exist? As Bill Simmons says he is the "John Wilkes Booth" of New England football.
Pollard is the true Patriot killer. He single handedly altered their chances so many times. That hit last year was just crushing.
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Pollard is the true Patriot killer. He single handedly altered their chances so many times. That hit last year was just crushing.
So happy the Titans got him. I know they don't play the Pats this year but if by some miracle they make the playoffs and square off, I hope he wrecks them again.
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What if Peyton Manning never existed?
They draft Ryan Leaf and are a bottom tier team for the next decade.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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On another thread, someone posted this video (NFL 1987 Week 16 NFL Today highlights):

http://www.youtube.com.watch?v=0FVDB3B2mhY

One of the highlights involved the Cowboys beating St. Louis, which knocked the Cards out, and put Minnesota in.

Little did the Cowboys know, however, that they were playing for more than pride that day.

As it turns out, they might have been playing for their future SB championships.

If the Cards won, they go to NO and lose.

The Vikings don't have their long playoff run. As a result, they don't build momentum that may have carried them to the playoffs the next two years.

So, when October 89 comes around in this scenario, they would have been less likely to see Herschel as the missing piece of the puzzle, and Dallas probably doesn't get the package that they did for him, which butterflies those three SB wins away.

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