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Old 09-05-2013, 07:13 PM    (permalink
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I don't like this move one bit! Does this mean he will be projected as a RB on the next level come draft time?
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
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This should be interesting, and with Mario Pender being ruled academically ineligible, we need depth behind Freeman now that Wilder had an injury scare with his shoulder.

Shylo - I would think so if this move sticks.
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This should be interesting, and with Mario Pender being ruled academically ineligible, we need depth behind Freeman now that Wilder had an injury scare with his shoulder.

Shylo - I would think so if this move sticks.
His value isn't going to be high at all when he decides to come out.
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South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
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Wow that is interesting, thanks for bringing that up.

Clearly if Wilder goes down and Freeman is the only guy that is an issue. Surprising that Hunter beat on Williams but Brooks was greatly improved off last year and my guess is Karlos bulked up too much in the off season and became stiff and slow in coverage. If I am not mistaken he did play on defense against Pitt but it looked like he played linebacker and seemed at least 10-20 pounds heavier.

Telvin Smith looked great at linebacker, Jones is a star and Terrance Smith is not too bad either so doubt he would see much time at linebacker unless one of those guys goes down, and they got some decent younger players there as well.

Sure would love to see him stay at safety but if he had that much trouble and was beat out, better he gets on the field than sits on the bench I guess. He had the job at safety and he lost it so no one is to blame but him.

Loved that toughness and potential at safety but the coaches at Florida State are not stupid, if he could play safety effectively especially in coverage he would be.
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Wow that is interesting, thanks for bringing that up.

Clearly if Wilder goes down and Freeman is the only guy that is an issue. Surprising that Hunter beat on Williams but Brooks was greatly improved off last year and my guess is Karlos bulked up too much in the off season and became stiff and slow in coverage. If I am not mistaken he did play on defense against Pitt but it looked like he played linebacker and seemed at least 10-20 pounds heavier.

Telvin Smith looked great at linebacker, Jones is a star and Terrance Smith is not too bad either so doubt he would see much time at linebacker unless one of those guys goes down, and they got some decent younger players there as well.

Sure would love to see him stay at safety but if he had that much trouble and was beat out, better he gets on the field than sits on the bench I guess. He had the job at safety and he lost it so no one is to blame but him.

Loved that toughness and potential at safety but the coaches at Florida State are not stupid, if he could play safety effectively especially in coverage he would be.
People tend to remember Karlos Williams was a 5* while Tyler Hunter was a 3*, thing with Hunter is before his senior season he was a potential 5* as well but missed most of his senior year (if not all) with an injury. Some always thought Karlos Williams was best off on offense as he isn't really a read and react athlete.

http://www.tomahawknation.com/2013/9...a-state-safety

He actually has good film on offense from HS, but he played lower level Florida ball and even by FSU standards is a freak athlete so how much of that was athleticism over talent remains to be seen.

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The biggest concern is how will he fare next season if both Freeman and Wilder return?
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South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
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Wilder needs to go pro so the Falcons can have him and Steven Jackson.
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The biggest concern is how will he fare next season if both Freeman and Wilder return?
FSU is recruiting with the assumption Wilder and Pender are not there in 2014.
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FSU is recruiting with the assumption Wilder and Pender are not there in 2014.
Well I would at least like to see Karlos play a full season as the starter.
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I don't think Pender will ever play a down for us and Wilder will be gone if he puts up a solid season.
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I don't think Pender will ever play a down for us and Wilder will be gone if he puts up a solid season.
So does that mean he should be penciled in as the starter next year?
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So does that mean he should be penciled in as the starter next year?
He would be battling Ryan Green and Freeman.
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He would be battling Ryan Green and Freeman.
Now that I sit back and look at his situation, I'd rather see him move to LB.
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Now that I sit back and look at his situation, I'd rather see him move to LB.
I'd rather he contribute to the defense as well.
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Guys that are successful returning kicks seem like guys that have the requisite speed/quickness to cover, get open... whatever. They are sudden and agile. When a kick returner has that kind of size, he's a hell of an athletic specimen, and physical skills will never be an issue. Whether the technique ever catches up is another matter.
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karlos williams is a terrible defensive player...can't cover anyone and even in garbage time got beat deep. the only way he sees the field is changing to offense because it's only a matter of time before everyone comes to the realization karlos williams couldn't defend division 3 players.
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karlos williams is a terrible defensive player...can't cover anyone and even in garbage time got beat deep. the only way he sees the field is changing to offense because it's only a matter of time before everyone comes to the realization karlos williams couldn't defend division 3 players.
Hopefully he turns into the next Fred Taylor.
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Karlos' first career carry = 65yd TD
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Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
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Dude is FAST. He also looks like a natural runningback.
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Dude is FAST. He also looks like a natural runningback.
Did you just see his last carry!!!!
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South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
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100 yards in his first game. He runs like Eric Dickerson.
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100 yards in his first game. He runs like Eric Dickerson.
I hope Wilder leaves early just so I can see greatness flourish.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
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I like him in comparison to Fred Taylor in the mold of build.
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The most important thing, however, is how strong their swagger factors are.
Newton
South of the Mason Dixon +10 swagger
Barely literate +5 swagger
Thief +15 swagger
Kicked off of a team of thugs +20 swagger
Big, average speed -3 swagger
Hasn't done jacksquat on the field +15 swagger
Total Swagger: 62
ATL College Park Zone 3* +20 swagger Bonus pts
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I hope Wilder leaves early just so I can see greatness flourish.
Wilder is awesome.
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