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Old 09-22-2013, 04:16 AM    (permalink
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and power, and agility, and vision and explosiveness

Maybe a DeAngelo Williams
I don't see power, agility isn't much use when you're indecisive in the hole, his vision looks kind of suspect to me and again I think he's hesitant to make a decision and hit what he sees, and as with the rest, "explosiveness" as measured by a combine drill doesn't mean much if he won't just plant his foot and get downfield. The thing that makes CJ Spiller and Jamaal Charles great is that for all their speed, they anticipate holes before they are there and are always using that explosiveness to get downfield not just 40-time-fast, but as soon as possible - Seastrunk is the kind of frustrating runner who looks like he's bobbing and weaving in hopes that he sees a big patch of green before really turning on the jets. I'll give you the DeAngelo Williams comparison, though, because I think he's a clear step down from the other two and I notice some of the same things when I watch DeAngelo. I don't think he or Lache are all that great at actually breaking tackles, either. But CJ Spiller and Jamaal Charles are two of the best in the league and are archetypical players, and I really don't think Lache is on that level.

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Zwinek, PSU RB: Definately the next Mike Allstott.
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Jameis Winston = Eli Manning(Escape ability/panic mode)

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Zwinek, PSU RB: Definately the next Mike Allstott.
I've seen Jesse James compared to Rob Gronkowski and Chrisitian Hackenberg to Tom Brady. How do they ever lose a game.
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I've seen Jesse James compared to Rob Gronkowski and Chrisitian Hackenberg to Tom Brady. How do they ever lose a game.
Comparisons, not projections/predictions. There's more to winning than just 3 players.

Besides, Jesse James is being underutilized in that offense. He's such a good blocker, they barely have him running routes. And when he does, he's usually open.

Tom Brady didn't exactly have spectacular college numbers.

I really don't see that comparison anyway. Hackenberg is much more physically gifted, especially his arm.
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James White = Johnathan Franklin
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I don't see it. White might make a roster but he doesn't possess the traits to translate to the next level. He's quick but not fast, small frame and isn't physical. He could be a team's 3rd RB but nothing more than that.
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I don't see it. White might make a roster but he doesn't possess the traits to translate to the next level. He's quick but not fast, small frame and isn't physical. He could be a team's 3rd RB but nothing more than that.
He's fast enough. Long speed is one of the most overrated traits for a RB. He's a good pass blocker for his size (and has great hands). That's the reason Melvin Gordon isn't getting more snaps yet.

Guess what? Franklin was 3rd on the depth chart.
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He's fast enough. Long speed is one of the most overrated traits for a RB. He's a good pass blocker for his size (and has great hands). That's the reason Melvin Gordon isn't getting more snaps yet.

Guess what? Franklin was 3rd on the depth chart.
Johnathan Franklin started the year as the 3rd back as a matter of circumstance, not ability.

Franklin has much more short range explosion than White.
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I don't see power, agility isn't much use when you're indecisive in the hole, his vision looks kind of suspect to me and again I think he's hesitant to make a decision and hit what he sees, and as with the rest, "explosiveness" as measured by a combine drill doesn't mean much if he won't just plant his foot and get downfield. The thing that makes CJ Spiller and Jamaal Charles great is that for all their speed, they anticipate holes before they are there and are always using that explosiveness to get downfield not just 40-time-fast, but as soon as possible - Seastrunk is the kind of frustrating runner who looks like he's bobbing and weaving in hopes that he sees a big patch of green before really turning on the jets. I'll give you the DeAngelo Williams comparison, though, because I think he's a clear step down from the other two and I notice some of the same things when I watch DeAngelo. I don't think he or Lache are all that great at actually breaking tackles, either. But CJ Spiller and Jamaal Charles are two of the best in the league and are archetypical players, and I really don't think Lache is on that level.
I guess I'm comparing him more to those guys in college, not really factoring in what they do or how they run in the pros. They've both developed a lot since college, and I think Seastrunk will as well
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I've watched Derek Carr a few times, haven't had a chance to actually break down film (I usually do that after the season) but I really like what I see from him. He's got a strong arm, good accuracy, good mechanics (unlike his brother) and good mobility. Watching him I see a young Big Ben.
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I've watched Derek Carr a few times, haven't had a chance to actually break down film (I usually do that after the season) but I really like what I see from him. He's got a strong arm, good accuracy, good mechanics (unlike his brother) and good mobility. Watching him I see a young Big Ben.
Yes, hes a very talented quarters prospect. I have high hopes for him.
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Jace Amaro - Jimmy Graham
Amaro has great ball skills and and body control, but I don't think he plays quite as big as Graham.

I think Amaro is closer to guys like Tony Scheffler, Todd Heap, and Dennis Pitta.

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I don't think he plays quite as big as Graham.
what do you mean? He uses his length and height to go up and gets the ball in the air (like Graham), but it's not like Graham is really known for mauling people in the run game or anything. It's pretty much the fact that he's 6'6" and goes after the ball. "playing big" is pretty much just a statement about their dimensions... they're big. I don't really understand that objection to the comparison.
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Another TT guy, Jakeem Grant, made me think of Brandon Banks with the ball in his hands.

He won't be declaring this year, though.
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what do you mean? He uses his length and height to go up and gets the ball in the air (like Graham), but it's not like Graham is really known for mauling people in the run game or anything. It's pretty much the fact that he's 6'6" and goes after the ball. "playing big" is pretty much just a statement about their dimensions... they're big. I don't really understand that objection to the comparison.
I'm not trying to slight Amaro. I really like him. But being the same size as Jimmy Graham and having great ball skills don't make you Jimmy Graham. Graham is special, he's just on another level.

Amaro is much closer to Dennis Pitta than Graham. Pitta has great ball skills and can run after the catch. But he's no Graham either.
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I'm not trying to slight Amaro. I really like him. But being the same size as Jimmy Graham and having great ball skills don't make you Jimmy Graham. Graham is special, he's just on another level.

Amaro is much closer to Dennis Pitta than Graham. Pitta has great ball skills and can run after the catch. But he's no Graham either.
Well, if that's your argument, I think all I can say is that I think you're underrating Amaro's athleticism, because that's the basis for the Graham comparison. Amaro, like Graham, has a suddenness rare for a player that size, and it comes into play when he's running after the catch as well as running routes. Graham's got that ability to just plant his foot, flip his hips and instantly be moving in the other direction, and with his size that's a huge target suddenly changing directions, which is extremely hard to cover, especially for the linebackers who are often tasked with covering the tight end. Then you factor in the ability to run after the catch elusively as well as powerfully (Amaro's got a mean stiffarm) and you've got a Graham comparison.

And for what it's worth, when I compare him to Graham I'm not comparing what I think his stats will be. Gronkowski and Graham post some pretty similar stats, but they're pretty different stylistically. Maybe Amaro's stats will be more like Pitta's, maybe he's "Graham-lite," but as a huge, lanky, fluid athlete with good ball skills and speed, I definitely think he's in the Graham category of tight ends.
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I'm not underrating him. I think he's arguably the best TE in this draft just on purely receiving skills. He's just not on Graham's level.

Also, I'm skeptical on Amaro's listed 6'6" height. I think he's going to come in a tad under 6'5".
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De'Anthony Thomas = Garrett Wolfe

If I hear one more Darren Sproles comparison...!
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Johnny Manziel = Tony Romo

Thoughts? I really think they're similar, play-style wise.
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Manziel does have that trait that Romo and Favre have where they can improvise any given play like it's school yard football and make magical things happen. I'll give ya that.
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Spurrier was on ESPN earlier this week and he compared Manziel to Russell Wilson. It's not an original comparison but I think it's a quality one. Towards the end of the season some of the improvising that I saw from Wilson, specifically in the SF game in Seattle, reminded me a lot of what Manziel does when he improvises on his feet. Obviously Wilson is a more efficient and accurate passer. But I think the fact that they're both seen as undersized, both have great arms, and can improvise when a play breaks down makes them pretty similar.
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Spurrier was on ESPN earlier this week and he compared Manziel to Russell Wilson. It's not an original comparison but I think it's a quality one. Towards the end of the season some of the improvising that I saw from Wilson, specifically in the SF game in Seattle, reminded me a lot of what Manziel does when he improvises on his feet. Obviously Wilson is a more efficient and accurate passer. But I think the fact that they're both seen as undersized, both have great arms, and can improvise when a play breaks down makes them pretty similar.
I like the comparison in that both can extend plays behind the line of scrimmage with their legs and throw well on the move. Would argue both have great arms. Not sure if that was a missprint.
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