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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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fwiw, UA781 got into LAX at about 7.12p, so he conceivably would've deboarded about 10 minutes after that. i don't think he could've made it to DEN in time to take it, but at least the LAX end makes sense.
Yeah, we have no idea if he was there. It may just be people trying to make something out of nothing. People trying to be the first to leak something.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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A&M is in no way a better job than SC, Sumlin hasn't built anything. Sumlin's so far had a single good season and top recruiting class. He's doing a damn good job, but you can't say any coach has "built" a program in only one year.

The simple fact is that everything he's doing at A&M, he can do at USC, and do it better and easier. A&M's a good football school, but the truth is that those top recruits he's bringing in are committing more so because of Sumlin than A&M itself. At USC, you're still going to have those exact same kids committing to play for Sumlin, but also those kids who want to play for USC in general. You say that he can recruit better at A&M than at USC. Do you realize that coming off a 6-7 season, USC received five 5-star commits (compared to 11-2 A&M's zero 5-stars)? Maybe you consider USC a damaged brand, but its clear recruits don't.

Not only that, USC is a national brand that is realistically able to bring in the top players regardless of their location, and we've yet to seen that same pull from A&M. This fact is currently somewhat mitigated because A&M reigns supreme in Texas for the short-term, but if the Longhorns make the right hire this offeseason, the Aggies are quickly going back to second place. Sumlin would perhaps need a season or two to build California recruiting contacts, but overall USC recruits for itself, more so than A&M.

As for it being easier to win at A&M, I don't really see that at all. Any A&M championship is going to have go through LSU, Alabama, Georgia, plus any of Florida or SC given the year. As for money and facilities, those things are overrated when you're talking about a program with the appeal and prestige of SC. A lot of recruits are going to prefer to play for the Trojans and live in LA, rather than play for the Aggies and live in College Station, even if the facilities aren't as nice.

Sumlin's got a good thing going at A&M, but he can have an even better thing going if he heads west. Don't let a short-term, reactionary view clout your judgement.
I disagree that USC recruits for itself and in my opinion it's that those kids who are four and five stars aren't going to USC because it's USC, they went their this past year because as awful as a playcaller as Lane Kiffin is he is an incredible salesman who could sell an eskimo ice. Those kids went to SC because Kiffin, Orgeron, and Tee Martin are some of the best recruiters in the country. He did the same thing when he was at Tennessee. When USC got some of Tennessee's five and four star recruits in 2010, they weren't going to SC because it was SC, they were going there because of Lane. Markeith Ambles didn't all of a sudden have a revelation that SC was this big program and that he wanted to live in LA, Kiffin sold him just like he has sold his program to countless other kids. The freshman class of 2013 chose SC because they bought into what Lane was selling them, and Lane at one point was even able sell that to like six or seven five stars, however they decommitted and chose to play elsewhere.

In terms of your universities location I think it's been shown that kids will play wherever they can win, it doesn't matter if it's LA or if it's some small town in the middle of no where, all you have to do is win and have the support of your athletic department. Some kids wanna play close to home some kids don't, the LA recruiting factor doesn't work on everybody.

Sumlin's got everything he wants at Texas A&M, that school is not just better than Texas on the football field but also in the money game. They've got a bigger alumni base than SC and the fact that they just raised close to a billion dollars in a single YEAR. I think that says something about their brand and how one school is trending up and the other is trending down. In addition to that, why would you leave the SEC, that money flow is only going to get bigger when the payout starts to come in from the contract they have with ESPN. It's easier to be successful at a big state school like A&M than it is to at a small private school like SC. Why do you think SC just stepped into the 21st century and finally got the football facility that its football program deserved? Because its a whole lot harder to raise money and improve facilities at a private school than at a state school.

He can't do everything he's doing at A&M at SC, because A&M has more money, is in a better conference, has a better overall athletic department (Pat Haden is just a clown who can't be taken seriously), better facilities, and I'll take the Texas/Louisiana/Oklahoma recruiting base over California.
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Why would Mike Gundy want to leave Oklahoma State when it's his alma mater and he has the financial support of T. Boone Pickens?
Beats me, but he himself said he almost took the Arkansas job. My guess is he doesn't always want to be second fiddle to Oklahoma.
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I disagree that USC recruits for itself and in my opinion it's that those kids who are four and five stars aren't going to USC because it's USC, they went their this past year because as awful as a playcaller as Lane Kiffin is he is an incredible salesman who could sell an eskimo ice. Those kids went to SC because Kiffin, Orgeron, and Tee Martin are some of the best recruiters in the country. He did the same thing when he was at Tennessee. When USC got some of Tennessee's five and four star recruits in 2010, they weren't going to SC because it was SC, they were going there because of Lane. Markeith Ambles didn't all of a sudden have a revelation that SC was this big program and that he wanted to live in LA, Kiffin sold him just like he has sold his program to countless other kids. The freshman class of 2013 chose SC because they bought into what Lane was selling them, and Lane at one point was even able sell that to like six or seven five stars, however they decommitted and chose to play elsewhere.
My point was that a bad USC team was able to out recruit a great A&M team. You're certainly correct that Lane is a great recruiter, which helped. But so is Sumlin, so you can't just pass that off as the simple explanation for why USC pulled in that class compared to A&M. Most of the recruits nowadays got their first impressions of college football when Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush were dominating the nation, with ESPN and the rest of the media dubbing USC a dynasty. That's the impression USC has with a lot of kids, even now we're only a few years removed from USC dominance. Recruits naturally have a positive impression of USC regardless of the coach. A&M on the other hand is really only going to resonate with recruits in relation to Kevin Sumlin's success. You aren't going to have that many recruits with fond memories of when A&M was dominating the competition, outside of last season. A lot of kids wanted to play at USC because of Lane Kiffin, but many also wanted to play for USC in general. Certainly some players feel the same way about A&M, but clearly its not going to be as noticeable as the attraction towards USC.

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In terms of your universities location I think it's been shown that kids will play wherever they can win, it doesn't matter if it's LA or if it's some small town in the middle of no where, all you have to do is win and have the support of your athletic department. Some kids wanna play close to home some kids don't, the LA recruiting factor doesn't work on everybody.
Of course the LA recruiting factor doesn't work on everybody, there's no fullproof recruiting approach that will get any and every player to commit. That being said, many recruits certainly do care about location, and as long as proximity's not a factor, USC's always going to win that battle.

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Sumlin's got everything he wants at Texas A&M, that school is not just better than Texas on the football field but also in the money game. They've got a bigger alumni base than SC and the fact that they just raised close to a billion dollars in a single YEAR. I think that says something about their brand and how one school is trending up and the other is trending down. In addition to that, why would you leave the SEC, that money flow is only going to get bigger when the payout starts to come in from the contract they have with ESPN. It's easier to be successful at a big state school like A&M than it is to at a small private school like SC. Why do you think SC just stepped into the 21st century and finally got the football facility that its football program deserved? Because its a whole lot harder to raise money and improve facilities at a private school than at a state school.

He can't do everything he's doing at A&M at SC, because A&M has more money, is in a better conference, has a better overall athletic department (Pat Haden is just a clown who can't be taken seriously), better facilities, and I'll take the Texas/Louisiana/Oklahoma recruiting base over California.
A lot of these are factors that don't actually matter on the field. So lets assume that indeed A&M will always be able to outspend USC. So? What exactly are they going to spend that money on? They already have a recently built athletic facility, other than some interior upgrades there's not that much room for expenditure. They have a Kyle Field expansion in the pipelines, but it's already a pretty impressive stadium, the seating is more so to accommodate fans than it is to attract new recruits. And regardless, your theory that A&M has more money than USC is a myth; USC launched a six billion dollar fund raising campaign in 2011. Since then, they've collected $2.81B. Comparatively, A&M has raised under $1B.

The SEC angle is an advantage, but the Pac-12 isn't that far behind. Pat Haden being a clown has no bearing on the situation, no recruit or player cares about who the AD is, and Haden's problems as an administrator stem from making wrong hires and being reluctant to fire them, which doesn't affect Sumlin, at certainly not negatively. Regarding the recruiting base, as I said, USC is a national brand. A&M is still limited mostly to the general area you described, but USC is far from limited to just California. USC can very reasonably pluck a recruit from A&M's backyard, the same can't be said for the Aggies.

The simple fact is that A&M's recent success on-the-field, in recruiting and in fundraising can be laid much more at Sumlin's feet than some quality inherent to the school itself. Which means he can pretty much bring all those attributes with him, and then reap the additional benefits of the superior football program that USC possesses. USC is considered an elite football program regardless of the coach, A&M is not. Even if the program has declined over the past three years, it's one of the easiest in the nation to resuscitate, and if Sumlin can do it at A&M, he sure as hell can at USC.
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Isn't it funny that you guys essentially didn't do dick until Jimbo showed up? You just fail to realize that elite programs do hire **** coaches and can go through down years, even when your program did the same thing at the end of Bowden's career...
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Kind of sad what happened to them. They lost the conference realignment game harder than anyone else. They were never going to be a power house program or anything, but I still like to see the northeast programs do somewhat well. Pasquoloni wasn't working out there, but it will be hard for them to attract a replacement that's much better. The job was never super attractive to begin with(although it wouldn't have been a bad stop for a coach on the way to something better a few years ago) and now they've got to deal with selling the AAC.
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Kind of sad what happened to them. They lost the conference realignment game harder than anyone else. They were never going to be a power house program or anything, but I still like to see the northeast programs do somewhat well. Pasquoloni wasn't working out there, but it will be hard for them to attract a replacement that's much better. The job was never super attractive to begin with(although it wouldn't have been a bad stop for a coach on the way to something better a few years ago) and now they've got to deal with selling the AAC.
If UConn could accept they are at best a stepping stone job they could strike big with a young coordinator or NFL guy (P.J. Fleck as an example). Or maybe give Skip Holtz a call. If and its an unlikely if Notre Dame ever fully joins the ACC then UConn would likely also be invited. UConn really thought they were a lock for the ACC until Louisville made the ACC say **** academics.
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Isn't it funny that you guys essentially didn't do dick until Jimbo showed up? You just fail to realize that elite programs do hire **** coaches and can go through down years, even when your program did the same thing at the end of Bowden's career...
Funny our down years always meant a bowl game appearance and a winning record.

I'm just curious, other than Pete Carroll, what good hires as USC made since 1982?

Ted Tollner
Larry Smith
Geriatric John Robinson
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Funny our down years always meant a bowl game appearance and a winning record.

I'm just curious, other than Pete Carroll, what good hires as USC made since 1982?

Ted Tollner
Larry Smith
Geriatric John Robinson
Paul Hackett
Lane Kiffin
And we didn't have winning records and make bowl games? Do you have a ******* clue as to what you're talking about?

Did we miss a few times? Abso-*******-lutely, god forbid we didn't have a guy who coached till he was basically dead. Pete had more success in 9 years than FSU has had in their history...and Mckay did as well. So, don't worry we will be back.
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And we didn't have winning records and make bowl games? Do you have a ******* clue as to what you're talking about?

Did we miss a few times? Abso-*******-lutely, god forbid we didn't have a guy who coached till he was basically dead. Pete had more success in 9 years than FSU has had in their history...and Mckay did as well. So, don't worry we will be back.
Since when was .5 MNCs greater than 2 full MNCs? This doesn't even get into consecutive years in the Top 5 and 10 win seasons (14 > 7) or the winning percentage that was 7% lower in those 7 years than FSU's was in those 14.

But really more in 9 years? And only 1 coach worth a crap in 30 years. Certainly impressive.

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Yes in the 60's and 70's USC was great, since then other than what they had to cheat to win and subsequently had taken away, USC hasn't done enough to pretend it has the eliteness its fans so desperately and pathetically want to believe it actually has.

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Funny our down years always meant a bowl game appearance and a winning record.

I'm just curious, other than Pete Carroll, what good hires as USC made since 1982?

Ted Tollner
Larry Smith
Geriatric John Robinson
Paul Hackett
Lane Kiffin
11 national championships compared to FSU's 2.....

You're acting like FSU is up there with the elite programs like USC,Alabama, Notre Dame etc!

that's right...I think USC has done just about fine in their history.

Troll on

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Since when was .5 MNCs greater than 2 full MNCs? This doesn't even get into consecutive years in the Top 5 and 10 win seasons (14 > 7) or the winning percentage that was 7% lower in those 7 years than FSU's was in those 14.

But really more in 9 years? And only 1 coach worth a crap in 30 years. Certainly impressive.
So you are where we were under Pete...and now since we are in a down time you completely forget about where you were at the end of Bowden's time. You are so ******* delusional. I'm embarrassed that I even try to talk to you.


Edit: Who am I kidding, you are nowhere near where Pete or McKay had our program. Forget I said that.
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11 national championships compared to FSU's 2.....

that's right...I think USC has done just about fine in their history.

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And a grand total of .5 MNCs since 1980. But yeah the 60's and 70's are still very relevant.

Oh and how cute, counting smaller and stripped MNCs to get the total to 11, want to count that way FSU has 7 MNCs since 1980.
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And a grand total of .5 MNCs since 1980. But yeah the 60's and 70's are still very relevant.

Oh and how cute, counting smaller and stripped MNCs to get the total to 11, want to count that way FSU has 7 MNCs since 1980.
You talk down Pete's time to try and make Bowden's embarrassing end of his career look better. Comical.

You try to make our NC's sound irrelevant, yet you think the 90's are relevant to these kids....let me tell you they aren't.
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You talk down Pete's time to try and make Bowden's embarrassing end of his career look better. Comical.
Only USC fans would pretend Pete Carroll is a better college coach than Bobby Bowden. At least Bowden isn't a coward who ran away like a little girl right before **** got tough.
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Only USC fans would pretend Pete Carroll is a better college coach than Bobby Bowden. At least Bowden isn't a coward who ran away like a little girl right before **** got tough.
Pete is a better college coach, I will say that without a ******* hesitation. Carroll likely would have went down as the best ever had he stayed in the college game.
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Pete is a better college coach, I will say that without a ******* hesitation. Carroll would have went down as the best ever had he stayed in the college game.
I really fail to understand how .5 MNCs (in a year LSU would have ******* pimp slapped USC on the field with Saban as HC, Fisher as OC, and Muschamp as DC who had a combined record of 36-5 last year) equals GOAT? Especially when his tenure ended with the harshest NCAA punishments since SMU.

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Only USC fans would pretend Pete Carroll is a better college coach than Bobby Bowden.
You think Bobby Bowden was a better coach than Pete Carroll?

It's even funnier that you think only USC fans would think that the other way...
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I really fail to understand how .5 MNCs (in a year LSU would have ******* pimp slapped USC on the field with Saban as HC, Fisher as OC, and Muschamp as DC) equals GOAT? Especially when his tenure ended with the harshest NCAA punishments since SMU.
Its hilarious that you say LSU would have handled us that game. OU had no place in that game, USC and LSU were the two best teams and would have been a great game...couldn't tell you who would have won. You're just trying to suck Jimbo's dick more so...

...Keep thinking FSU's history can hold USC's jock. Its not even a comparison. Pete had that program on a different level than anyone has ever seen, outside of Bama right now...and they still don't have the buzz we had. You justify it because of sanctions? We just fought it unlike half the teams that get caught doing the same ****...they get a slap on the wrist because they say they're sorry.
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