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That play was so pathetic by Beatty. Soooooooo pathetic.
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Watching him get flat overpowered by Jared Allen, I have to ask how you figure that.
Low man wins every time.

He's been a more effective RT for the majority of his career vs LT oddly enough. You figure his body would make him a better LT but he's done better on the right side.

We're a passing team anyway, just save Eli from getting killed and I'll forgive you for being a terrible run blocker.
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I think this week's game is key.

The week after is the bye week and the trade deadline ends the following Tuesday.

It will be interesting to see if anything happens
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Let's see if we can beat the Eagles this week. Hmmm Eagles, Raiders and then we can pick 1 win somewhere else.
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Well another loss for the Bucs. What team is worse, Bucs or Jags?

Jags - Bridgewater
Bucs - Clowney
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Well another loss for the Bucs. What team is worse, Bucs or Jags?

Jags - Bridgewater
Bucs - Clowney
I think both teams will take QBs tbh. The bucs will have a new coach and probably a new GM as well. They will want their own guy. Jags absolutely, positively HAVE to take a QB. If they take Clowney I will laugh so hard. It doesn't matter if he becomes an all time great, if they pass on Bridgewater and he becomes a top ten active QB in the league, they've made a huge mistake.

But that's what perennially bad teams do, so I probably shouldn't be surprised if one of those two bad teams pick Clowney instead of a QB...

EDIT: And for the record, the Jags are worse than the Bucs by a mile. The Jags have a legitimate shot of going 0-16 with sixteen double digit losses. They're not even competitive.
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I think both teams will take QBs tbh. The bucs will have a new coach and probably a new GM as well. They will want their own guy. Jags absolutely, positively HAVE to take a QB. If they take Clowney I will laugh so hard. It doesn't matter if he becomes an all time great, if they pass on Bridgewater and he becomes a top ten active QB in the league, they've made a huge mistake.

But that's what perennially bad teams do, so I probably shouldn't be surprised if one of those two bad teams pick Clowney instead of a QB...

EDIT: And for the record, the Jags are worse than the Bucs by a mile. The Jags have a legitimate shot of going 0-16 with sixteen double digit losses. They're not even competitive.
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I think both teams will take QBs tbh. The bucs will have a new coach and probably a new GM as well. They will want their own guy. Jags absolutely, positively HAVE to take a QB. If they take Clowney I will laugh so hard. It doesn't matter if he becomes an all time great, if they pass on Bridgewater and he becomes a top ten active QB in the league, they've made a huge mistake.

But that's what perennially bad teams do, so I probably shouldn't be surprised if one of those two bad teams pick Clowney instead of a QB...

EDIT: And for the record, the Jags are worse than the Bucs by a mile. The Jags have a legitimate shot of going 0-16 with sixteen double digit losses. They're not even competitive.
I am not sure. If it's BPA balanced with need then you evaluate along those parameters. If Clowney is as good as the guys in our forum think so. Then it makes more sense that the Bucs take Clowney.

In other words, all the guys here say Clowney is a playmaker, once in a life time prospect who is the best defensive prospect to come out in a long time. Well then, I don't see a bad team passing on him just to fill a need. Usually teams who do that are consistently bad. Jags may, but I don't see the Bucs passing on Clowney especially if he is so good.

Look at the Bucs schedule. They can go 0-16 too. Rams don't have a QB. That game might be the only 1 they are winning.

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Well another loss for the Bucs. What team is worse, Bucs or Jags?

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Bucs - Clowney
Don't do this to me. You know what you're doing to me right now?! DON'T DO THIS TO ME!
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Haha. You know I was thinking. Jags will get the first overall pick. Sure they need a QB but if Clowney is BPA and this best defender since god knows who basically the Andrew Luck of defense then what if they take Clowney at 1? We are going with the assumption they take a QB which they need but if BPA dictates JC and he is some amazing player then who knows.

Wouldn't that be funny if the dream is shattered with the first overall pick? he he

But the Bucs stink. 0-16 or 1-15 if they beat the Rams who lost Sam B. We need to lose all our games for SOS to kick in and take the 2nd spot. However, I am sticking to my 4-12 prediction or 4-6 in the remaining 12 games.
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Guys, in the 2011 draft I wanted Geno Atkins in the 4th, Greg Hardy in the 6th.

And Jimmy Graham in the 3rd. But I don't count that one bc I knew we would pass on him bc we had Beckum.

I'm gonna go cry in a corner now.
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This is why I didn't want JPP. I definitely like that we have him now, but at the time I was missed because I thought we could get Dunlap or Hardy later and still have a physical freak to work with.
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We don't win a 2nd SB without JPP so hard to argue that one.
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I wanted JPP in the first and Hardy in the 6th. Hardy was strictly a value pick at that point, we should have pulled the trigger.

I wanted Brandon Spikes in the 2nd. I don't remember who I wanted in the 5th. I wanted Selvie in the 7th I believe. I think I wanted a Center that was drafted by NO in the 5th.
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Oh yea, I fell in love as soon as I started watching him play and now there is no other person I'd take there.
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I'm trying to remember what I wanted in 2011:

I think it was:

1. Jimmy Smith
2. Stephen Paea
3. Mason Foster
4. Marcus Cannon

I don't remember past round 3, but I think I wanted Cannon in round 4. I blew the first 2 rounds of that draft.

In 2012 I wouldve went:

1. Stephen Hill
2. Bobby Massie
3. Robert Turbin
4. Brandon Boykin

In 2013 I would've went:

1. Sharif Floyd
2. Arthur Brown
3. DaMontre Moore
4. Best Available OL
6. Stevey Beau
7. ?
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I think Reese should take care of Rounds 1 and 2 and let us draft rounds 3 and 4 for him.
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actually to be serious. I'd have Reese do the whole draft and tell Ross to sit this one out.
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He's doing it on purpose. If Clowney was an OT he'd be all over him, but since he's a DE and nyg knows how we feel about our pass rushers, he's just twisting the knife.

Ultimately it all comes down to how many guys teams believe will become franchise QBs, cause teams like the bucs and jags can't pass on a guy they believe to be a franchise QB, not even for Clowney.
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Haha. You know I was thinking. Jags will get the first overall pick. Sure they need a QB but if Clowney is BPA and this best defender since god knows who basically the Andrew Luck of defense then what if they take Clowney at 1? We are going with the assumption they take a QB which they need but if BPA dictates JC and he is some amazing player then who knows.

Wouldn't that be funny if the dream is shattered with the first overall pick? he he

But the Bucs stink. 0-16 or 1-15 if they beat the Rams who lost Sam B. We need to lose all our games for SOS to kick in and take the 2nd spot. However, I am sticking to my 4-12 prediction or 4-6 in the remaining 12 games.
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We'll have no shot for Clowney at 32 unless we trade up.
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He's doing it on purpose. If Clowney was an OT he'd be all over him, but since he's a DE and nyg knows how we feel about our pass rushers, he's just twisting the knife.

Ultimately it all comes down to how many guys teams believe will become franchise QBs, cause teams like the bucs and jags can't pass on a guy they believe to be a franchise QB, not even for Clowney.
Hehe I am not sure about that. Last time there was an amazing potential, can't miss OT, it was..... Robert Gallery, which a lot of Giants fans wanted. God he turned out to be a bust and retired.

I am just thinking that Bucs may draft Clowney because he is one of the best prospects to come out. Like a defensive version of Andrew Luck. If he falls in their lap, I can see the Bucs drafting him.
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Well another loss for the Bucs. What team is worse, Bucs or Jags?

Jags - Bridgewater
Bucs - Clowney
Right now Minny is worse. What if they really do think Freeman is the QB of their future?!!

Another thing to consider is that a team at the top of the draft might opt to take their QB in Round 2 if they think they can land a guy they like. IMO, the hype of this QB class will faint as the draft gets closer because they have a lot of warts. Taj Boyd and Manziel could easily last to Round 2. Mariota might not declare. Hundley's hype is already fading after that Stanford game. Things can always change but I don't think anyone has him in the Top 3 right now. Athletically he's legit, but I just can't buy into his decision making.

Good thing is you should at least at the worst end up with Barr.
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Right now Minny is worse. What if they really do think Freeman is the QB of their future?!!

Another thing to consider is that a team at the top of the draft might opt to take their QB in Round 2 if they think they can land a guy they like. IMO, the hype of this QB class will faint as the draft gets closer because they have a lot of warts. Taj Boyd and Manziel could easily last to Round 2. Mariota might not declare. Hundley's hype is already fading after that Stanford game. Things can always change but I don't think anyone has him in the Top 3 right now. Athletically he's legit, but I just can't buy into his decision making.

Good thing is you should at least at the worst end up with Barr.
You and I both know that Manziel isn't falling past Houston, or Dallas if he falls that far. And given that Mariota should be a top 5 pick it's hard to imagine him not coming out.
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Right now Minny is worse. What if they really do think Freeman is the QB of their future?!!

Another thing to consider is that a team at the top of the draft might opt to take their QB in Round 2 if they think they can land a guy they like. IMO, the hype of this QB class will faint as the draft gets closer because they have a lot of warts. Taj Boyd and Manziel could easily last to Round 2. Mariota might not declare. Hundley's hype is already fading after that Stanford game. Things can always change but I don't think anyone has him in the Top 3 right now. Athletically he's legit, but I just can't buy into his decision making.

Good thing is you should at least at the worst end up with Barr.
Minny won a game though. I don't see the Jags or the Bucs winning. Bucs have 1 shot and that's against the Rams.

Barr would be fine. If he is that good, I can be happy with that. I want to see how things shake out, but I want Mathews. If not, Barr is cool. If he is that good, Barr and Beason could be a great 2 LB group.
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