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Old 10-23-2013, 08:04 PM    (permalink
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It seems that if he plays a team from Alabama, he goes off.
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I don't like saying things like this but Mike Evans looks a lot like Plaxico Burress to me.
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I'd take Evans over a guy like Tavon Austin who went #8 overall and that has nothing to do with Austin's NFL performance.
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I don't like saying things like this but Mike Evans looks a lot like Plaxico Burress to me.
Eh, that's not how it works. Mike Evans' NFL comparisons are:

Jordy Nelson
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Yes, he is a monster. Can't believe Ole Miss held him in check on Saturday. Reminds me a ton of Vincent Jackson.
That's exactly why I clicked in, to say that ..... this is Vincent Jackson. Which is good physically.....
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Eh, that's not how it works. Mike Evans' NFL comparisons are:

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Julian Edelman
Cole Beasley
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I see where he's going with the joke but it doesn't make sense unless he's confusing Mike Evans with Mike Bennett of UGA.
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Basically making fun of white receivers and howthose are literally the only guys they ever get compared to.
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But Mike Evans is black...
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Evans is a legit 1st round WR, I'd still take Watkins over him in a heart beat though
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I don't like saying things like this but Mike Evans looks a lot like Plaxico Burress to me.
Yeah that's exactly the guy I was thinking of too. Scary part about Evans is that his game may be better suited for the NFL. Will definitely make a run for 1st WR off the board in May.
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I've been a huge Evans fan for awhile but I admit I had questions going into this year that I wanted to see answered. I wasn't sure of his straight line speed, and I didn't know what else he offered other then jump balls. Literally every question I had this year he answered for me. He's beat teams in a bunch of different ways, nobody can contest him when the ball is in the air, he's 6'5 but he runs and moves like 6'2. Typically when you think about a guy that size you think he's lanky and cant' move laterally, he runs incredibly smooth and is explosive as hell, jumps out of the gym, I'm not sure what else you could want.


He's been above Marquise Lee for me for awhile now and I guess it depends what you want if you rank him over Watkins. I like Watkins quite a bit, but I'd take Evans first in this class. He's got so much more to this game then I thought, and the basketball background he has, with minimal time playing football, and his ceiling is through the roof. He's still got a ton of room to grow and improve, he projects easily to a #1 WR for me, and while I think he tears up the combine I don't need to see any of his test to know he's going to beast. He could make a living in the NFL playing the ball in the air solely, but his well rounded game makes him legit.
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I think Evans is an intriguing prospect, but I'm most interested in his 40. The Vincent Jackson comparison is incredibly lofty, and I'm not sure everyone realizes how rare Jackson is. Other than Calvin Johnson there might not be a bigger freak in the league than Vincent Jackson. Just to throw it out there: Jackson was 6'5'' 241 pounds. He ran a 4.45 40 time with a 39 inch vertical, and he bench pressed 225 almost 25 times. Jackson completely blew up the combine. It was one of the most impressive performances from a WR prospect you'd ever see.

I thought Jackson was a much more explosive prospect who didn't need to make contested catches all the time, which is all I ever see Evans doing. Jackson could flat out run past anyone and get open. He had the freakish size plus the long speed. I don't think Evans is a slouch, but I don't think he's nearly as fast or fluid as Jackson was. Evans looks a little tight and plays upright. He is going to struggle getting separation at the next level. I mean, he's not very good at getting open in college. I've never seen a wide receiver have success winning contested jump balls all the time.

I'd say Evans is more on Michael Floyd's talent level (I liked Floyd a lot more though). Evans has a wide catch radius, very good hands, great leaping ability and can box defenders out. He has a natural, instinctive ability to shield defenders and position himself correctly. He's shown that he can beat the jam. But right now he runs 9 routes and hitches with a slant / drag route thrown in every once in a while. His route tree is lacking immensely and he's very raw. He has first round potential, but I'm most interested watching his 40 and how he does in drills - most importantly dropping his hips and getting in and out of breaks. I think he has build up speed and only average quickness and acceleration.

Part of me thinks he's not ready for the NFL and another part of me thinks he won't really improve any more in college. I think he's more of a second round prospect right now. That could change depending his workout, but I don't see an overly impressive physical specimen. He's too dependent on the QB making back shoulder throws, or throwing him open to create separation. It sounds like people think Manziel has been bailed out by Evans more than Evans benefits from Manziel. I simply don't think that's the case. I think the jump ball - TD catch - against Arkansas just sticks out more in peoples minds than the dozen back shoulder throws or great ball placement Manziel shows on numerous 9 routes that gives Evans a chance to show off his best attributes.
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I agree with BigBanger for the most part. Evans is getting excessive hype IMO and, even though I do not put a ton into 40 times, I will look at Evansī. I do not know that he can consistently create separation in the NFL.
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He has first round potential, but I'm most interested watching his 40 and how he does in drills - most importantly dropping his hips and getting in and out of breaks. I think he has build up speed and only average quickness and acceleration.
You hit the nail on the head for me. I think he is a great player with a lot of great attributes but his quickness and acceleration is key. He is making big plays in college but in the NFL those 3 quick explosive steps have to be on point for WR to be great. Your breakdown of Vincent Jackson is insightful.
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I will say this with Mike Evans he knows how to " Wall " off the defensive back with his body. Or like we hear every Sunday now about ten times a game. Make a " Basketball " move. And with the way the rules are called now a days I think CB's can't go through the body to break up a pass or its a flag.
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I think Evans is an intriguing prospect, but I'm most interested in his 40. The Vincent Jackson comparison is incredibly lofty, and I'm not sure everyone realizes how rare Jackson is. Other than Calvin Johnson there might not be a bigger freak in the league than Vincent Jackson. Just to throw it out there: Jackson was 6'5'' 241 pounds. He ran a 4.45 40 time with a 39 inch vertical, and he bench pressed 225 almost 25 times. Jackson completely blew up the combine. It was one of the most impressive performances from a WR prospect you'd ever see.

I thought Jackson was a much more explosive prospect who didn't need to make contested catches all the time, which is all I ever see Evans doing. Jackson could flat out run past anyone and get open. He had the freakish size plus the long speed. I don't think Evans is a slouch, but I don't think he's nearly as fast or fluid as Jackson was. Evans looks a little tight and plays upright. He is going to struggle getting separation at the next level. I mean, he's not very good at getting open in college. I've never seen a wide receiver have success winning contested jump balls all the time.

If you want to compare him to Vincent Jackson the prospect it can't be with any hindsight, and as a prospect your talking about a guy coming out of Northern Colorado who you knew had the elite physical measurables but those guys with big stats from a smaller school are always in the draft and ton of them don't pan out. The competition Evans is facing is something you have to factor in with the SEC. I just know when I watch him play he's more fluid then a guy who is 6'5, it's pretty easy to see he's not one of those big lumbering runners that can't make quick cuts or fast acceleration, he's not slow at all.


I've seen plenty big slow possession WR's coming out. Dwayne Jarrett, Malcolm Floyd, Limas Sweed, they usually go in one direction and eventually pick up speed but I've seen Evans exhibit far more lately agility and explosion then the typical big chain moving tall WR. I became much more confident in his ability once I saw that.


I don't agree with the Vincent Jackson comparison anyway, he'll probably measure in at 6'4 220, that's my guess but I wouldn't be surprised. Jackson has that Calvin Johnson frame that is hard to compare too many people too for it to fit. But the scary thing to me is he's a basketball player, pretty new to football, but he's dominating SEC defenses as the go to target in their offense.


I'm not worried about the specifics of his combine numbers, but I know he's fast enough to be a difference maker at the next level. He'll probably be a low 4.5 guy but I expect his vertical to be 40.
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I like Mike Evans a lot, but in my time of seriously evaluating draft prospects, if there is one type of player I tend to over value and they end up underwhelming, it's the big, jump ball receiver type.. So it gives me a pause.
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I'm not worried about the specifics of his combine numbers, but I know he's fast enough to be a difference maker at the next level. He'll probably be a low 4.5 guy but I expect his vertical to be 40.
You don't know he is fast enough, that's the thing that is getting everybody.
And it isn't necessarily about how fast, but one thing I seriously want to know is, how good of a route runner is this kid?
I really think if someone drafts him high first, he's going to have lofty expectations and struggle adjusting to the NFL.
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If you want to compare him to Vincent Jackson the prospect it can't be with any hindsight, and as a prospect your talking about a guy coming out of Northern Colorado who you knew had the elite physical measurables but those guys with big stats from a smaller school are always in the draft and ton of them don't pan out. The competition Evans is facing is something you have to factor in with the SEC. I just know when I watch him play he's more fluid then a guy who is 6'5, it's pretty easy to see he's not one of those big lumbering runners that can't make quick cuts or fast acceleration, he's not slow at all.
I wasn't comparing him with any hindsight. If anything, Jackson has underwhelmed me at the NFL level. I thought he was going to be a Top 5 WR. He's been more in the Top 10 range. But Jackson has been too streaky and too dependent on his speed and vertical ability in the NFL. He's just starting to become a possession receiver (i.e. complete) as well. I'm probably the only person not related or employed by Vincent Jackson that thought he was a first round prospect back in 2005. I had him 9th overall in my rankings. He was my second ranked WR in that draft behind Mike Williams (USC), and ahead of Braylon Edwards.

With the Mike Evans types, I want to see him running a 40 and doing drills at the Combine. His tape speaks for itself. You can pretty much scout him in two games and know exactly what kind of player he is. He's doing the same thing over and over again. Running up the sideline and waiting for Manziel to throw it up to him. If you remove that part of his game, what's left?

My issue is this. If you are making contested catch after contested catch at the college level, and using your size as the main advantage, then you'll probably struggle in the NFL. He runs three routes. All game long. Three routes. That's not going to work. It's never worked... For anybody.


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I've seen plenty big slow possession WR's coming out. Dwayne Jarrett, Malcolm Floyd, Limas Sweed, they usually go in one direction and eventually pick up speed but I've seen Evans exhibit far more lately agility and explosion then the typical big chain moving tall WR. I became much more confident in his ability once I saw that.
I remember Sweed being a sub 4.5 guy? He wasn't really a slow possession receiver. He was raw and he came from Texas. Aside from defensive backs, Texas produces a ton of busts on a regular basis. So there is that. But Sweed didn't have great hands and he never developed in the pros. He's another guy who feasted off 9 routes and deep post patterns in college. He was just bigger and faster than the players he was going up against.

I haven't seen Evans show much of anything other than go routes and boxing out defenders. I haven't seen him do much after the catch on short passes. I do think he's very talented and I think he's going to go in the first round because of that basketball background, his production and upside. The basketball background might be enough to land him in round one alone. It has produced more and more tight ends and wide receivers in recent years. Including Vincent Jackson.

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I'm not a huge fan of the 6'6'' WR prospects. There's a kid from Rutgers whose draft eligible. He should go in the 5th or 6th round but he'll probably going in the 2nd or 3rd because of that size!!!!! I bashed the hell out of James Hardy when some people were saying he was going to be the next great thing. Everyone said Ramses Barden had so much potential. I said the guy was limited. I'm not saying that's going to be Mike Evans, but 6'5'' guys aren't dominating the NFL unless you're Calvin Johnson.

Right now, I have him in round two, which is a lot higher than I have most of the receivers he's going to be mentioned with or compared to. Watching him at the Combine could push him way up in my eyes. I have to see him there before I can have a firm opinion one way or the other. Right now he's just too raw and winning too often on pure talent / size. I think at this point in time there are very few locks to go in round one. I think Mike Evans is one of them. The talent, potential and production is there. If he impresses at the Combine, then he's probably pushing the Top 10. I wouldn't be surprised if he ran 4.48 type 40. The drills will show just how fluid he is and natural he looks changing direction. If he impresses me there, then I think his potential is through the roof and I think he becomes the best wide receiver prospect in this draft. But at the same time, I'm not holding my breath on that happening.


Right now I have Paul Richardson and Robert Herron as better prospects; fringe 1st round caliber players. Even though I recognize that both of those guys are complimentary receivers due to their seize and Evans projects as a teams primary edge player. Those guys have better speed, route running ability and suddenness that will help them create space. Plus they have talent. If Richardson had better hands I think he would be a big name in this draft where people would be talking about him in the top half of round one.
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I think what Alshon Jeffery is doing this year is really going to help Evans. And to me Evans has more " suddenness " to his game.
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