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Old 11-07-2013, 11:30 AM    (permalink
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I'd include Rolle and Hill as well.
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What good defensive player is 5-10 in the draft? Not barr right? And how good is this Mike Evans out of A&M? I am not sure I was impressed when I saw him.
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DEs have been setting the edge just fine. And Beason has done a tremendous job of filling gaps.

The pass rush is the obvious problem. We have 1 legit pass rusher who's hurt, and a questionable pass rusher with potential that never sees the field. If JPP doesn't recover and Moore never sees the field, our pass rush will be poor all season.

Regardless, we need another pass rusher in the upcoming draft and that's probably #1 on my wishlist.
I am a big believer in interior passrush facilitating sacks across the line. It is tough to block JPP but schematically teams can slide protection, chip, double ect to account for an edge rusher but when you are able to apply pressure in the interior it eliminates stepping up into the pocket therefore allowing the edge rush to clean up.

Hankins and Lival are nice young players but they are at their best against the run. When Tuck was in his prime and able to kick inside to the undertackle is when your pass rush was REALLY scary. Cullen Jenkins is a jag at this point of his career, upgrading with a young 3tech and I think it all comes full circle.

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What good defensive player is 5-10 in the draft? Not barr right? And how good is this Mike Evans out of A&M? I am not sure I was impressed when I saw him.
I don't know yet. I don't get into the draft until the bowl games. I'm in favor of just trading out of our selection if we are in that range and collecting more picks.

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I'd include Rolle and Hill as well.
I'd include Hill not but Rolle. Reason being we know what we have in Rolle. He's gonna give us his production. Hill is a wildcard bc we can't trust him.

The guys I listed were guys who are necessary for us to win but are unpredictable in their production for their own individual reasons, being health or otherwise.
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I am a big believer in interior passrush facilitating sacks across the line. It is tough to block JPP but schematically teams can slide protection, chip, double ect to account for an edge rusher but when you are able to apply pressure in the interior it eliminates stepping up into the pocket therefore allowing the edge rush to clean up.

Hankins and Lival are nice young players but they are at their best against the run. When Tuck was in his prime and able to kick inside to the undertackle is when your pass rush was REALLY scary. Cullen Jenkins is a jag at this point of his career, upgrading with a young 3tech and I think it all comes full circle.
I absolutely agree with this. It's hard finding that 3 tech though, very hard. The bust rate for DTs is so high, I'm scared of drafting DTs in round 1 for the most part. Sheldon Richardson was a slam dunk this year, but getting that pass rushing 3 tech is so hard to find, they're just rare.

Also keep in mind the system. Fewell has his DTs stack (2 gap), they're not supposed to pass rush. So the only opportunity they get to shoot gaps is on 3rd and long.

But yeah, they're run stuffers. Very good ones but they offer little pass rush. We need an interior guy for sure.
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I don't know yet. I don't get into the draft until the bowl games. I'm in favor of just trading out of our selection if we are in that range and collecting more picks.



I'd include Hill not but Rolle. Reason being we know what we have in Rolle. He's gonna give us his production. Hill is a wildcard bc we can't trust him.

The guys I listed were guys who are necessary for us to win but are unpredictable in their production for their own individual reasons, being health or otherwise.
No thanks. Unless we can get another 1st from a team, we have a shot to get a blue chip prospect. We haven't had this show since 2004. I am not ready to trade out unless a team gives us a big time offer. If not, we are in prime spot to get someone really, really good. I am pulling the trigger on that.
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Looks like Wilson to IR. So no return on our investment, thus far, with him.
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Ughh let's just hope he's fine next year.
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Doesn't look good for Wilson. That very well may become a bust.
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This is why you never take RB's in the first round! :)
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Don't tempt him!
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Is it shady for the commish in your fantasy league to tell Team A to pick up a player over Team B because they wanted to block Team B from getting that player knowing it would hurt them?
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Yup. That's shady.
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When I say "hurt them" I meant it hurts Team B because they have no relevant QB now but it helps the commish because they can possibly leap frog Team B in the standings because of that.

I don't even care about fantasy as much as I used to but this move has me a bit ticked.
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That's absolutely shady. Commish, or anyone in particular, should not manipulate the waiver wire in any way. That's cheating.
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Team A did need a QB though. And he was more than happy to screw over team B. And he is playing me this week. So it could backfire.
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All I know is I would beat both of you in fantasy football.
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You don't think that happens in the NFL? Jerry Reese calls his buddy GM and says, "hey, you kind of need help at LBer, would you pick this guy up and make sure the Eagles don't get him?"

I'm sure stuff like that happens.
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Of course it does. Still doesn't make it right lol.
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Good news by Dan Graziano saying that Wilson will be 2014 and won't need surgery.
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It may or may not happen but I dont see Jerry Reese telling the team he screwed over right to their face. I want reparations immediately!
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That's on him then. He should. The pleasure is much better that way.
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We should do a league just us giants fans next year
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We should do a league just us giants fans next year
So you and I can collude to screw over GF?
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Going forward the Giants are going to happen serious issues of talent deficit on their Defensive Line.

Tuck is actually their best player this year, and they basically have no one else playing well in the pass rush department. Some of the DTs like Mike Patterson and Shaun Rogers are playing well against the run but these are older vets who do not figure to be a significant part of the Giants' future.

I am also of the mind that Jason Pierre Paul was vastly overrated based on one season, and injury or not, will be a marginal player for the rest of his career. If you want to talk about injuries, realize that back injuries are the worst kind of injury for a DLineman to have - this has the potential to derail his career for years to come.

And no, they do not have a shot at drafting Jadaveon Clowney with their first round pick this year either. They will win anywhere from 4-7 games.
How do you figure that?

I expect we will extend JPP and Joseph

DT we have Joseph, Hankins and Kuhn, DE we have JPP, Moore - all of these have ability and potential.

add in a vet like Jenkins at DT and maybe Tuck at DE along with another young guy to develop and we are fine, particularly if we can improve our LB group.

You can't say the same about the oline. None of the young guys on the roster behind the starters have stepped up despite having opportunity. If you look at our Oline group and project the guys over the next couple of years and we have Pugh and Beatty, maybe Boothe and?? If we are lucky we may be able to squeeze a little more tread out of Baas or Snee if they can get healthy (that is a big question). We need around 9 capable linemen. This has to be our biggest need.
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