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Old 10-29-2013, 02:02 PM    (permalink
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You can have your cake and eat it too, though. If you draft Clowney and have another abyssmal season with a bad QB, you may get Jameis Winston next year. You act as if this is the last year that team can ever draft a QB.
If you're a general manager or head coach, the clock is ticking.

This is exactly what Steve Spagnolo tried to do in STL when he drafted Chris Long #2 overall instead of Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. He probably thought he could wait and draft his franchise QB later, but when he finally did draft a QB, time had run out on him.

If he had taken Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco instead of Chris Long in 2008, Spagnolo might still have his job in St Louis.
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If you're a general manager or head coach, the clock is ticking.

This is exactly what Steve Spagnolo tried to do in STL when he drafted Chris Long #2 overall instead of Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. He probably thought he could wait and draft his franchise QB later, but when he finally did draft a QB, time had run out on him.

If he had taken Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco instead of Chris Long in 2008, Spagnolo might still have his job in St Louis.
I completely agree as pretty much every team that has passed on potential franchise Qbs that needed one eventually regret it.

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To be fair they still had a young Byron Leftwich who wasn't that terrible yet. It wouldn't have made any sense to draft Rodgers then.

Plus who knows what happens to Rodgers in a different situation. He got 3 full year to develop in a really stable franchise and stepped into a great set of receivers.
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The funny thing is, I remember some loud Packer fans wanted Matt Jones because, and I quote, "he could be the next Don Hutson!"
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To be fair they still had a young Byron Leftwich who wasn't that terrible yet. It wouldn't have made any sense to draft Rodgers then.

Plus who knows what happens to Rodgers in a different situation. He got 3 full year to develop in a really stable franchise and stepped into a great set of receivers.
Some people thought it didn't make any sense for Green Bay to take him either. There was some sentiment that they should have drafted for the now to give Favre one last shot at a SB and the defense was not very good the year before.
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Some people thought it didn't make any sense for Green Bay to take him either. There was some sentiment that they should have drafted for the now to give Favre one last shot at a SB and the defense was not very good the year before.
I was one of those people. I wanted them to draft Marlin Jackson (DB, Michigan) in an effort to make one more run with Favre.

I'm soooo glad that I'm not the Packers GM.
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I completely agree as pretty much every team that has passed on potential franchise Qbs that needed one eventually regret it.

How sad is this?

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Pick 21 Jacksonville WR Matt Jones
Pick 24 Green Bay QB Aaron Rodgers

This is how you become the Jacksonville Jaguars.
well they took a college qb...
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Yes I would take Jacory Harris in a heartbeat, he was clutch against G Tech, he can run a pro-style offense with poise, he is accurate and he has a strong arm. He makes the reads necessary in the NFL, he has a good feel for the pocket and is super clutch, wait its not 2009?

Don't be surprised if Winston has a slump

I would say Luck
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I would say Clowney because he's not a QB
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Could Clowney be a 3-4 DE too? With the Texans sucking, I have been considering him as a possible option in the draft.
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Could Clowney be a 3-4 DE too? With the Texans sucking, I have been considering him as a possible option in the draft.
I like him best off the edge, so he'd probably be bumped outside to OLB on passing downs. You shouldn't be allowed to have JJ Watt and Clowney though. That's not exactly fair.
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To answer the question posted in this thread: Y'all thought Andrew Luck was Jesus and the best prospect since Elway or something and he's not even the best QB in his own draft class so that leaves quite a bit of room for Clowney.
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To answer the question posted in this thread: Y'all thought Andrew Luck was Jesus and the best prospect since Elway or something and he's not even the best QB in his own draft class so that leaves quite a bit of room for Clowney.
Even if you think that Wilson has been better than Luck so far in their careers I'd much rather have Luck for the next 10 years than Wilson. Luck took the Colts from the worst team in the league to a playoff team in one year and now they're the best team in their division.

I'm a huge fan of Russell Wilson and the Seahawks in general but it's kind of absurd to say that Wilson is a better QB than Luck.
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Even if you think that Wilson has been better than Luck so far in their careers I'd much rather have Luck for the next 10 years than Wilson. Luck took the Colts from the worst team in the league to a playoff team in one year and now they're the best team in their division.

I'm a huge fan of Russell Wilson and the Seahawks in general but it's kind of absurd to say that Wilson is a better QB than Luck.
I was going to go with Griffin, who also took a perennially worse team in Washington to the same playoffs on his back but I'd settle for Wilson. You put any of the 3 on SEA or IND and they're both still playoff teams, but I don't think Washington was near as advantageous as Indy or Seattle.
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Andrew Luck had a bad game today so I'm supposed to change my overall view of him? Nope. I prefer to avoid such simple mindedness.
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Andrew Luck had a bad game today so I'm supposed to change my overall view of him? Nope. I prefer to avoid such simple mindedness.
You're on the wrong side of history, my friend. 1 game over 300 yards this season. Against Miami, who has allowed that 3 out of 8 times this season.

20th in the league in yards per game. You guys are all in love with the idea of Luck, but not actually Andrew Luck.
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Passing yards is the measure of a QB? You're with yourself then, because Luck has more passing yards this season than Russell Wilson.
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Russell Wilson is 7th in NFL in Y/A. Luck is 22nd.

If you look up literally 5 posts I clearly said Griffin was better than Luck. Griffin accounts for more yards per game, throws better and runs better than Luck. Statistically speaking, which doesn't mean much because Luck is Jesus.
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Russell Wilson is 7th in NFL in Y/A. Luck is 22nd.

If you look up literally 5 posts I clearly said Griffin was better than Luck. Griffin accounts for more yards per game, throws better and runs better than Luck. Statistically speaking, which doesn't mean much because Luck is Jesus.
This year Luck has accounted for less ints, less fumbles, more rushing TDs and more wins than Griffin.
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Griffin is also loses more games this year, turns it over more, and gets hurt more often. Luck has been a great player so far. Griffin put up a lot of garbage time numbers early in the season as well.

I don't see how Washington is much worse of a situation than Indy.
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Russell Wilson is 7th in NFL in Y/A. Luck is 22nd.

If you look up literally 5 posts I clearly said Griffin was better than Luck. Griffin accounts for more yards per game, throws better and runs better than Luck. Statistically speaking, which doesn't mean much because Luck is Jesus.
Wilson also has beast mode and the legion of boom. How did there head to head match turnout this year?
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You guys are so hurt. So what if Luck doesn't throw INTs? He doesn't keep drives alive unless his fantastic running game is keeping them on schedule because he is one of the worst at converting 3rd and medium-long. That kills more drives than INTS.
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I'm now confused you said fantastic running game.
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I'm now confused you said fantastic running game.
Indy has the same YPC as Seattle. I don't think you guys understand football.
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The Colts defense that isn't supporting Andrew Luck at all because he's the entire team is within 10 points of the greatness that is the Seahawks defense. You think Robert Griffin wishes his defense hadn't given up the most in the league?
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