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Old 11-13-2013, 07:34 PM    (permalink
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So the Tallahassee Democrat asked the TPD for any records pertaining to Winston. This was given to them even though his name is not mentioned in the report and the unidentified suspect is 5-8 inches shorter and 20 lbs heavier. I mean wtf? His attorney denies it and said it was closed over a year ago and that the police never spoke to him regarding the matter.
The weight difference is pretty inconsequential to me, but there shouldn't be that big of a discrepancy between the reported height and Jameis' height if were indeed the perpetrator. I'd be surprised if anything substantive comes from this.
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I'm going to give Jameis the benefit of the doubt. He was probably squinting and had no idea what he was doing.
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This would surprise me if this is true, mainly because I thought Winston was Rudy Cool.
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The weight difference is pretty inconsequential to me, but there shouldn't be that big of a discrepancy between the reported height and Jameis' height if were indeed the perpetrator. I'd be surprised if anything substantive comes from this.
Think of the vastly different body type between someone who is 5'10 and 240 to someone who is 6'4 and 240.
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The height thing could just be a mistake. I wouldn't focus too much on that. Same with the hair type when it is less than .5". Law enforcement confirmed he was the suspect. Winston has a lawyer which isn't a damning thing. Always smart to get a lawyer.

I'm sure this is more than likely nothing.

I'm just waiting for the possible victim blaming to start up.
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Sounding like local authorities were sitting on it and the media digging into it got the state involved once they were made aware.

Hope this thing isn't true but the legal mechanics here seem awfully fishy. If there was nothing to it it would have been dismissed long ago.
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Tallahassee PD has never been a friend to FSU.

Last statement his attorney gave ESPN makes it sound like he witnessed something but not necessarily anything more.
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The height thing could just be a mistake. I wouldn't focus too much on that. Same with the hair type when it is less than .5". Law enforcement confirmed he was the suspect. Winston has a lawyer which isn't a damning thing. Always smart to get a lawyer.

I'm sure this is more than likely nothing.

I'm just waiting for the possible victim blaming to start up.
Any of these things by themselves wouldn't be a big issue, but in the totality of the situation the description of the UNKNOWN assailant is that he is 5'8 to 5'11, dark skin (not black, but dark skin), 240 lbs, and straight hair.

Jameis Winston is and was then incredibly well known at FSU, 6'4 (5-8" taller), at the time was around 210 lbs (30 lbs lighter despite being taller), and has a flat top haircut and is definitely black. Not a single identifying characteristic is anywhere close to fitting his description from his race to size. On a witness stand any defense attorney would tear that apart.
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Any of these things by themselves wouldn't be a big issue, but in the totality of the situation the description of the UNKNOWN assailant is that he is 5'8 to 5'11, dark skin (not black, but dark skin), 240 lbs, and straight hair.

Jameis Winston is and was then incredibly well known at FSU, 6'4 (5-8" taller), at the time was around 210 lbs (30 lbs lighter despite being taller), and has a flat top haircut and is definitely black. Not a single identifying characteristic is anywhere close to fitting his description from his race to size. On a witness stand any defense attorney would tear that apart.
Thanks for the report there Columbo.

Winston probably shouldn't take the Ben Roethlisberger comparison too literally.
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Thanks for the report there Columbo.

Winston probably shouldn't take the Ben Roethlisberger comparison too literally.
Damn you and your witty remarks! ; )
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Damn you and your witty remarks! ; )
Who do you think i learned them from.

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I need the Bills to do a lot of things and they never come through.
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So now according to TMZ, the Tallahassee PD covered up the charges until they (TMZ) started poking around.

Yes, the same TPD who has frequently arrested FSU players on questionable charges over the years all of a sudden saw the need to cover up allegations against FSU's 4th String QB (in December 2012 that is).

Makes total sense.......
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So now according to TMZ, the Tallahassee PD covered up the charges until they (TMZ) started poking around.

Yes, the same TPD who has frequently arrested FSU players on questionable charges over the years all of a sudden saw the need to cover up allegations against FSU's 4th String QB (in December 2012 that is).

Makes total sense.......
You already said he was well known on campus.

He was a highly coveted recruit.

Not saying it happened, but don't act like local PDs or individual officers/DAs haven't covered for big time sportsball players all over the US before (high school, college, or pro).

As a lawyer, you should know that anecdotes about other arrests don't apply to any other arrest.
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You already said he was well known on campus.

He was a highly coveted recruit.

Not saying it happened, but don't act like local PDs or individual officers/DAs haven't covered for big time sportsball players all over the US before (high school, college, or pro).

As a lawyer, you should know that anecdotes about other arrests don't apply to any other arrest.
Not long (5-6 months) before this happened they arrested James Wilder Jr. (arguably a more high profile recruit) on a ridiculous charge of obstruction. I full well know in a lot of places the local PD covers up plenty of **** for athletes, (un)fortunately the TPD has never had that reputation and if anything goes the opposite direction with this.
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He wasn't just some scrub 4th stringer. He was a red shirting heir apparent. He was a very important player and recruit. It's not outlandish to consider they tried to protect him.
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He wasn't just some scrub 4th stringer. He was a red shirting heir apparent. He was a very important player and recruit. It's not outlandish to consider they tried to protect him.
He barely beat out Jacob Coker to be the starting QB, he was a stud recruit, but hardly the "heir apparent".
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Uhhhhhhhhh sure, "barely".
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Uhhhhhhhhh sure, "barely".
Winston actually had a horrible fall practice leading up to the decision to start him, he won the job largely because of his performance in the Spring (when Coker was hurt). Obviously Winston is a very rare talent as we've seen on the field, but it wasn't a runaway decision to name him the starting QB.
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Also a lot of schools try to down play sex crime #s.
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Also a lot of schools try to down play sex crime #s.
We had a starting WR accused of rape before the season started, per FSU rules he is suspended pending the outcome of the case. In 2006, A.J. Nicholson was thrown off the team before the Orange Bowl based off of a false allegation by a gold digger. For example, Nebraska under Tom Osborne was very quick to down play alleged sex crimes (seriously Google Christian Peter rape) to win games. At FSU that has never been the norm.
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I'm not attacking FSU specifically. It even just happened at ND. FSU is not beyond questioning.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ent-of-student
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I'm not attacking FSU specifically. It even just happened at ND. FSU is not beyond questioning.

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When that went to trial Johnson was acquitted within 30 minutes by an all female jury. Unfortunately it's the same DA (SA in Florida) who runs the show this time around.
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