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Old 11-13-2013, 09:02 PM    (permalink
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Dude we started 0-6. We have 0 room for error here. I'm as high on Moore as anyone else but we have no idea what kind of player he is.
Who cares about room for error? If someone isn't able to play, then can find a way to get the job done. The next man up gets his shot and maybe a few adjustements are needed. Either way, the season goes on regardless. That's football.

The most likely scenario is that the bulk of the snaps will go to Tuck and Kiwi.

Moore will get a few more opportunities, but it is probably not going to be a lot of snaps. Also expect to see Cullen Jenkins a little more at LDE.

It isn't just the game day snaps, there is also the practice reps. Either way we get to see a little more of Moore and a chance to see what he can do. That is not a bad thing at all.

Either way we are still ok.
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I just hope JPP is healthy for the Cowboys. If we have to rest him then rest him.

But seriously, even without JPP, if we can't beat a 3rd string qb then we have no right to be in the hunt to begin with. Now let's see Moore get some snaps since Dinosaur has no choice but to give him some.
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I just hope JPP is healthy for the Cowboys. If we have to rest him then rest him.

But seriously, even without JPP, if we can't beat a 3rd string qb then we have no right to be in the hunt to begin with. Now let's see Moore get some snaps since Dinosaur has no choice but to give him some.
No old man TC would play more Kiwi than Moore. I bet they do that especially since Moore is a rookie. Not that it should better but that's the modus operandi for us.
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Crap, I forgot about Kiwi. Welp...
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Kiwi did have a sack last week.
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Yeah, but he's the definition of average. He's good enough to play in this league for 10 years, and average enough to not make much of an impact over the course of a season.
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We are being aggressive though which I like and been asking Fewell to do. Finally we are blitzing! Only of the offense can play well now.

Like said though , this season may get Fewell reassigned.
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I typically hate the design of Perry Fewell's blitzes. They're generally awful. I haven't studied the Giants in awhile but I'm guessing they still suck.

If you want to see great blitz design watch what Rex Ryan does, or what Zimmer does, or what Sutton does. They all use the same blitz strategies and general philosophies on defense. That's what I like.

I think that system would be perfect for our personnel but...*shrug*

We're stuck. Just gotta pray our players play better within the system and play more disciplined.

While I hate the system it's not all the system. Our players have to play better.
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I love our blitzes from 15 yards away. The QB never sees them coming unless he has a pair of binoculars!
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Pretty much. Which is almost why I prefer we just rush 4 under Fewell. His blitzes are so terrible I rather just not even use them.
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I would love to see a big game out of Eli/Nicks this Sunday. If we get them going it's going to make everything so much more interesting.
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Pretty much. Which is almost why I prefer we just rush 4 under Fewell. His blitzes are so terrible I rather just not even use them.
Oh dude, I am sure he feels the same way. You mean he has to actually be creative now? No, the horror! You mean you can't just send the front 4 and play everyone else in coverage? Damn, so sorry, now he has to actually be creative in his blitz packages! What's this league coming to when a DC has to supplement his invisible pass rush?

Get ready for him to be extended BBD.
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Don't do this to me bro.

Let me dream.
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They're all going to deserve their extensions when we win our 3rd SB in this era!!
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Lol, we wish.
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I'm still in the fire everyone boat.
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Coughlin isn't getting fired. Best case scenario in that regards is both Gilbride and Fewell go, which I don't see happening anymore either.

Realistic scenario is if we don't make the playoffs then Fewell is gone, TC and Gilbride stay.

If we somehow make the playoffs, then there's a good chance all 3 stay.
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Don't do this to me bro.

Let me dream.
hehe, you're dreaming too much! I am standing in reality and you're dreaming for the both of us. You thought we were going to get Clowney, and I said 4 wins. We are close now. I expect us to beat the Packers. That's when things get tough with the remaining games.

I wanted Dumb and Dumber fired. I doubt Gilbride gets fired. And Fewell is playing for a new contract and the D is alive.

I just want a good draft pick. If we start winning then go big. Don't give me 7-9 or 8-8. 8-8 is okay in terms of Eli, when starting a full season, has yet to have a losing season. So this season may be Eli's first season. So 8-8 would be good from that stand point. However, we would get a mid round 1st round pick and that's not what I want.
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If you look back at our schedule even though we went 0-6 it's not like we were playing cupcakes and we should have probably had 1 or 2 wins in that group. The Panthers loss looks a hell of a lot better. KC and Denver are the two best teams in football and were competitive with them for the first 3 quarters. Dallas shot ourselves in the foot/division game. Eagles same thing. Heck even the Bears are a good team with Cutler and that game also was close.

Basically we're not as bad as we looked the first 6 games and even if we do end up mid first that's still going to be someone who's going to help us big time next year and going forward. Every NFL team has questions and if some of our young guys develop this second half we'll still be in good shape for next year. This team doesn't need a 2 year overhaul even with all the aging vets.
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If you look back at our schedule even though we went 0-6 it's not like we were playing cupcakes and we should have probably had 1 or 2 wins in that group. The Panthers loss looks a hell of a lot better. KC and Denver are the two best teams in football and were competitive with them for the first 3 quarters. Dallas shot ourselves in the foot/division game. Eagles same thing. Heck even the Bears are a good team with Cutler and that game also was close.

Basically we're not as bad as we looked the first 6 games and even if we do end up mid first that's still going to be someone who's going to help us big time next year and going forward. Every NFL team has questions and if some of our young guys develop this second half we'll still be in good shape for next year. This team doesn't need a 2 year overhaul even with all the aging vets.

See I disagree. We are at a cross roads this off season with all the UFAs we have. This off season will be very important for the coaching staff, and Reese and Ross.

We need to be smart on who we extend or re-sign and who we let go. We need a draft where our guys can contribute and we get return on our investment. No idiotic project picks who help us 29319281823 years later, and in the meantime do nothing.

This was a sign this year we need help big time. Offensive scheme now needs tweaking and we don't if Gilbride isn't fired. Our X may leave us, our whole TE unit stinks, and our OL stinks. They can't run block or pass block in general.

Defensively, we are not bad, we played well. But our pass rush is invisible so can Fewell be aggressive like this all year long? Will he even be re-signed? What will happen with JPP in his contract year? Do we let Tuck go? Webster seems to be taking this contract year off. So bye bye Webster. How about Hosley who is always hurt? Ross is on IR.. TT will need to continue to get better. He is playing well this year.

I don't like the state of our team. I want to see how all these off season moves play out. Reese, Ross, and the staff need to have a big time off season.
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We're at a crossroads but we still have plenty of our talent here that we can add too. Most of our FA's are guys we can afford to lose.
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We'll be a very different team next year. The sky isn't falling though. A good draft and a couple of players in FA and we'll be fine.
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Yup that's exactly how I feel. Even when we looked so terrible earlier I knew this wasn't a top 5 pick team.
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We're at a crossroads but we still have plenty of our talent here that we can add too. Most of our FA's are guys we can afford to lose.
It's not only talent, it's scheme too. It was never just man, our talent is bad. It was god that guy has issues, but the scheme was run is pathetic too. It's a combo of both. I want to see what happens to dumb and dumber as our coordinators.

Plus I am not sure we have to so much talent.

Defense:

2 DTs
Hurt JPP is a ? now.
Beason
JW if he can stay healthy
Prince
Rolle
Hill


Offense:

Beatty is average to good
Pugh
Eli
RR
Cruz
Brown needs to stay healthy
Wilson is a ? now too.
Connor as a FB



That's it I count going off the top of my head. That's not a lot of talent. It's not scarce either, but we can use A LOT more. Again, it comes down to Reese, Ross and TC.
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