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Old 12-05-2013, 08:40 AM    (permalink
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Collins has looked, adequate in coverage and rushing the QB thus far in his brief playing time. I hope he can take the next step come 2014. Another pick I may end up being totally wrong about.
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I do think he has potential to be pretty good in this system. He still looks as though he is thinking too much on the field but that is often expected from a rookie. Hopefully he can take the next step as you mention and become a staple of the defense going forward
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Also re Hightower, props to cmarq on calling it from the start. I don't know about the rest of you guys but I kind of went blind in praising the pick.

Belichick doesn't normally draft bust LBs and Hightower had plus size and a great pedigree. But he is stiff, a liability in coverage and hesitant against the run. Really he is a very poor man's Brandon Spikes.

He offers nothing as a coverage LB and he doesn't bring the power that Spikes does in the run game.

Right now I think we would be better suited giving Fletcher more snaps and blooding Collins in
That is how I was on draft day. I convinced myself he was a great fit because he was a captian under Saban and he had that combonation of size and speed. I thought he would develop into a stud in the pro's even though it was sort of a luxury pick for us at the time. Can't write Hightower off yet, but it hasn't looked good so far.
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That is how I was on draft day. I convinced myself he was a great fit because he was a captian under Saban and he had that combonation of size and speed. I thought he would develop into a stud in the pro's even though it was sort of a luxury pick for us at the time. Can't write Hightower off yet, but it hasn't looked good so far.
It's actually something I have looked at recently. People say that playing in a pro style system, especially under someone like Saban is a positive, and while it may well be, it probably shows us a guy's ceiling at an early stage. They receive such good coaching that they don't really have much more development in them.

That may be what we are seeing with Hightower. He is a big, physical guy with decent speed but is very straight line-ish. He may never turn into anything more than what he was in college. I do hope I am wrong, but right now I am not confident.
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Austin Collie is back for one week bitches!
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On this note I really wouldn't be surprised to see Dobson head to IR. Worrying he hasn't practiced since he hurt his foot and the Pats don't have the depth to carry anyone right now
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I think the Chess Piece comment is spot on for Hightower. I, too, thought he'd be able to do lots of things well without being great at anything. Not the case so far, unfortunately.

EE was adamantly against that pick and I'm pretty sure that was part of his need for a sabbatical. Sorry, bud!
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I didn't necessarily like the value of the Hightower pick, but I was excited to see Belichick targeting the front seven, especially given the obvious parallels between Saban and Belichick as coaches. However, I also feel that the team's scheme and lack of quality coverage linebackers has forced Hightower to do a lot of things more often than he should be doing them. In my opinion, it's fair to wonder whether or not his failure to develop into a quality starter so far is because he's not talented enough to become one, or because the coaching staff has not emphasized his strengths and masked his weaknesses with the scheme. When you draft a 270-pound who's supposed to set the edge and occasionally rush the passer (ideally suited, in my opinion, to the elephant role in our previous 3-4) and you've got him regularly dropping into man coverage twenty yards downfield against H-Backs, there are going to be problems.
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I've said my peace about Hightower already.

That being said, I feel the same way about run first defenders (sans NT's) as most people do about RB's who can't catch. Stay away from them in the first round. In today's NFL you're in nickel >50% of the time. If you can reasonably deduce that said prospect does not have the potential to be a plus player in that set, stay away from him.

It's the reason why I feel entirely different about a Shazier type in the first round than I do about a Hightower type. You can backfill run defenders later in the draft.
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So I know cmarq is holding out hope that Shazier will be available (which seems highly unlikely at this point), but which other prospects do you all have your eye on as potential first-round targets?
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I like Hageman if he's there. If not I would love Ebron though that's a pipe dream. HaHa too would be nice. But at the end of the day if Cyril Richardson is there I would be banging the table for him
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I just want to reiterate the fact I'm eating crow on the Hightower pick, and say cmarq was on the money with that one. He is a liability in almost every aspect of the game.
He was good last year or maybe I was imaging it...
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He had some moments last year yes, but being forced to step into a larger role and break away from being a situational player has exposed his weaknesses in Mayo's absence. I thought Mayo sucked in coverage......
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Dear god what an atrocious half.
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Our season is totally without question over.
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Well, today could not have gone any worse.
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OH MY GOD WTF JUST HAPPENED. I walk away from my iPad after the Browns score, I go back a few minutes later to change the game, and see the Patriots are going for two and have the lead. HOLY ****.
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This is crazy. Onside kick no less.

News from PFT is not encouraging on Gronk.
That will be all but a death knell for us.
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I don't even know what to say... about that game.
As for Gronk, my super bowl hopes rest in his health.
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Gronk is def out for the season, and career is starting to become worriesome with these injuries.
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Best case for Gronk is MCL sprain where he may be back for playoffs, but it looks like a tear to me. Offense gonna rest on the rookie WRs Edelman, Amendola and the RBs. Not Gonna lie with how bad the line has played I don't think they can last against the good teams. I had my doubts even with gronk
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Without gronk we have no shot, plain and simple.
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Apparently someone saw Dobson in a walking boot. How long he's gonna be out for.
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