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Old 12-09-2013, 01:54 PM    (permalink
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Yeah because Ohio State travels well and bring higher TV ratings, they are the top cash cow fan base. I could be wrong about the agreement thing so it works out smoother, but both bowls win by taking who they took.
The fans of defensive football definitely lose out in the Ohio State-Clemson game, altogether possible they score more than their basketball teams would against each other.
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Oh look, Mass is back to ignore facts, troll, and change the subject when he's wrong.

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Hehe, he's not wrong about that part though.
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Oh look, Mass is back to ignore facts, troll, and change the subject when he's wrong.

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If I was wrong it would be one thing, but I'm not. Just like I wasn't wrong that there would never be charges against the best player in the country.
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Sugar Bowl has a right of first refusal with SEC teams when they lose their team to the BCS CG. Alabama was the #1 choice if Ohio State hadn't proven why they were overrated as Auburn would have been obligated to the Sugar.

Michigan State got hosed. An Auburn team who needed 2 miracles has no business in the BCS CG as FSU's human sacrifice.
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You think the Orange passes on Alabama without the current "system" in place?
It seems to me you hate Ohio State and can't fathom the possibility that someone might choose them.

Either way, this process has very little to do with choosing good match ups and tons more to do with the dollar signs so get over it.
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If I was wrong it would be one thing, but I'm not. Just like I wasn't wrong that there would never be charges against the best player in the country.
Johnny Manziel was never facing any charges though.
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You think the Orange passes on Alabama without the current "system" in place?
Yes, because by picking Alabama the Orange Bowl would be picking a fan base that had already spent thousands of dollars traveling to South Florida one year ago to play in the national championship game. The Bama fans would have the mindset of, "we already went there last year, why go again?" Rather than pick a fan base that is not going to be inclined to go to the same place two years in a row, they picked one that, although coming off a tough loss, is energized because they are going to their first BCS bowl since 2010 and the first bowl in the Urban Meyer era.
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Still trying to figure out how Oregon finishes at 10 , ahead of Oklahoma. Yet Oklahoma gets bcs at large nod. Hm....
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Still trying to figure out how Oregon finishes at 10 , ahead of Oklahoma. Yet Oklahoma gets bcs at large nod. Hm....
Oklahoma fans travel, Oregon fans don't. Sadly that simple.
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Thankfully we have playoffs next year and can safely ignore the implications beyond that.

If you finish outside the top four you don't get a seat at the main event. Winning a bowl game outside of that no longer carries the "BCS" bowl" stigma.
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Thankfully we have playoffs next year and can safely ignore the implications beyond that.

If you finish outside the top four you don't get a seat at the main event. Winning a bowl game outside of that no longer carries the "BCS" bowl" stigma.
This year deciding those 4 would have been near impossible.....

FSU and Auburn clearly make it in, after that you have Alabama, Michigan State, Ohio State and Baylor all with 1 loss. Can you really justify a non-division champion making the 4 team tournament over a 1 loss team who won a major conference?
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This year deciding those 4 would have been near impossible.....

FSU and Auburn clearly make it in, after that you have Alabama, Michigan State, Ohio State and Baylor all with 1 loss. Can you really justify a non-division champion making the 4 team tournament over a 1 loss team who won a major conference?
I hadn't thought about how the 4-team would have looked this year. You're right, it would have been messy. Any way you slice it someone is getting screwed and/or someone doesn't deserve it. All the people crying for playoffs always overlooked the fact that the 4/5 argument is going to be just as heated as the 2/3 argument always has been. Even more because there are way more possibilities involved.

And it would have been even MORE messy had NIU and/or Fresno State won.
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There's been a decent amount of work done that's proved that the difference between 4 and 5 is actually going to be much more controversial between 2 and 3.

The likelihood of having three undefeated teams is very low, but the odds of having at least 5 teams with only one loss is much higher.
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I hadn't thought about how the 4-team would have looked this year. You're right, it would have been messy. Any way you slice it someone is getting screwed and/or someone doesn't deserve it. All the people crying for playoffs always overlooked the fact that the 4/5 argument is going to be just as heated as the 2/3 argument always has been. Even more because there are way more possibilities involved.

And it would have been even MORE messy had NIU and/or Fresno State won.
Neah in the new system NIU and FSUw would have been irrelevant to the Playoffs. The AQ conferences have moved to clearly differentiate themselves from the rest of CFB.

Personally I'd have said:

1. FSU
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4. Baylor

2. Auburn
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3. Michigan State

Too bad, so sad for Alabama, but Michigan State and Baylor are more DESERVING by virtue of winning their conferences. Honestly Ohio State would also be more deserving for winning their division than Alabama for finishing second in their division.

Then the 3 major bowls (Fiesta has lost that designation with having no affiliation to a conference champ IMO) would have looked like....

Champion's Bowl
Alabama vs. Oklahoma

Orange Bowl
Clemson vs. Missouri

Rose Bowl
Stanford vs. Ohio State
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There's been a decent amount of work done that's proved that the difference between 4 and 5 is actually going to be much more controversial between 2 and 3.

The likelihood of having three undefeated teams is very low, but the odds of having at least 5 teams with only one loss is much higher.
Exactly. Plus a mid-major undefeated has a much better case to be No. 3 or 4 against 1-loss teams.

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Neah in the new system NIU and FSUw would have been irrelevant to the Playoffs. The AQ conferences have moved to clearly differentiate themselves from the rest of CFB.

Personally I'd have said:

1. FSU
vs.
4. Baylor

2. Auburn
vs.
3. Michigan State

Too bad, so sad for Alabama, but Michigan State and Baylor are more DESERVING by virtue of winning their conferences. Honestly Ohio State would also be more deserving for winning their division than Alabama for finishing second in their division.

Then the 3 major bowls (Fiesta has lost that designation with having no affiliation to a conference champ IMO) would have looked like....

Champion's Bowl
Alabama vs. Oklahoma

Orange Bowl
Clemson vs. Missouri

Rose Bowl
Stanford vs. Ohio State
You would have put Baylor in, but I highly doubt they'd get the nod over OSU and Bama.

You really don't think an undefeated team would have a case for the 4th spot? I guess you're right but I think that's unfair.
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If the non-AQ team had a high quality win and was demolishing teams like FSU did this season they would be a strong candidate. But if they played a schedule like Northern Illinois this season then not do much.

Personally I think it should be the top 4 conference champions (or a highly ranked Notre Dame). If you don't win your conference then **** and do better next season.
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If your conference is garbage then picking the top 4 conference champions doesn't necessarily mean you have the top 4 teams.
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This year deciding those 4 would have been near impossible.....

FSU and Auburn clearly make it in, after that you have Alabama, Michigan State, Ohio State and Baylor all with 1 loss. Can you really justify a non-division champion making the 4 team tournament over a 1 loss team who won a major conference?
Actually, it's pretty ******* simple.

Any undefeated non-BCS teams? No.

Who are the conference champions?

Florida State, Auburn, Michigan State, Baylor, Stanford

It's really between Baylor and Stanford, and I give it to Baylor because 1. Big XII plays every team in their conference, and 2. their one loss is more palatable than either of Stanford's two losses.

Teams that can't win their conference typically don't belong in the National Championship picture.

It'd be 1 FSU v. 4 Baylor and 2 Auburn v. 3 Michigan State.
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If we're talking hypothetical fourth seeds, and the top three are FSU, Auburn, and Michigan State I would have to put Bama over Baylor. Bama's wins have been more impressive than Baylor's and with Auburn going on to beat Missouri that makes it an even better case for Bama, where as Baylor's one loss ended up losing to a two loss team at home. I don't get the argument for choosing Baylor over Bama.
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Actually, it's pretty ******* simple.

Any undefeated non-BCS teams? No.

Who are the conference champions?

Florida State, Auburn, Michigan State, Baylor, Stanford
Why are you choosing the four seeds from conference champions? I don't think that's how the playoff committee will decide next year. Alabama wouldn't be excluded from consideration just because they weren't a conference champion. Their resume is clearly better than at least two of those teams.

I can think of several instances where a team that did not win it's conference could have been considered to be one of the four best teams at the end of the regular season. 2002 Iowa, 2004 Cal, 2004 Texas, 2005 Ohio State, 2006 Michigan, 2006 Wisconsin, 2006 LSU, 2007 UGA, 2008 Texas, 2008 Alabama
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Actually, it's pretty ******* simple.

Any undefeated non-BCS teams? No.

Who are the conference champions?

Florida State, Auburn, Michigan State, Baylor, Stanford

It's really between Baylor and Stanford, and I give it to Baylor because 1. Big XII plays every team in their conference, and 2. their one loss is more palatable than either of Stanford's two losses.

Teams that can't win their conference typically don't belong in the National Championship picture.

It'd be 1 FSU v. 4 Baylor and 2 Auburn v. 3 Michigan State.
It's really not that simple because of the below reasoning. Both of you raise decent enough points.

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If we're talking hypothetical fourth seeds, and the top three are FSU, Auburn, and Michigan State I would have to put Bama over Baylor. Bama's wins have been more impressive than Baylor's and with Auburn going on to beat Missouri that makes it an even better case for Bama, where as Baylor's one loss ended up losing to a two loss team at home. I don't get the argument for choosing Baylor over Bama.
If Bama really backed in as the 4th seed in the first year of the 4-team playoff, that would be so horribly hilarious.
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