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Old 12-09-2013, 07:36 PM    (permalink
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We have to figure something out. We have too many holes. I don't know if we can realistically address them all this offseason.
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every team has holes. It's about being able to mask your holes the best, plan around them or find the best stop gap
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Right. But our holes are in the trenches, and I don't know if we can fix those holes on both sides well enough.

I can live with having issues in the secondary, linebacker, WR and TE. But we need to fix our lines. And I don't know if we can get an elite pass rusher, and 2 OLmen in one year.
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I can live with having issues in the secondary, linebacker, WR and TE. But we need to fix our lines. And I don't know if we can get an elite pass rusher, and 2 OLmen in one year.



The Giants either already have an elite pass rusher who's been hampered by a recovery from a herniated disc, or they had an elite pass rusher and can replace him in free agency without worry that they won't have enough to re-sign the one they had.
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I think JPP will be back next year. My concern with signing Hardy is not having enough to re-sign JPP.

But in a perfect world, I want 3 rushers on this team. We are at our best when we can put 3 rushers on the field. JPP hopefully becomes that guy again when he's healthy. We have no choice but to hope and pray that Moore can be the 2nd guy.

Now we need a 3rd guy either via FA or the draft. Outside of Clowney this sounds like a poor DE draft, so I don't really know how we should approach this.

Then on top of that, we need 2 OLmen. We need a Center/Guard, and a LT.

So we have a lot of work to do in the trenches and not enough resources to make it all happen.
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I want to see what happens with our coaching staff.

We do need to prioritise the trenches and that should be our focus in my opinion.

We need to evaluate what went wrong this year.

I can understand the issues along the offensive line, but the lack of pass rush pressure on defense is a concern.

Hopefully we can have new coordinators and change up our schemes a little.

What really baffles me is that we have complex systems on both sides of the ball, yet we are so predictable...

when we simplify things (again) we have more success, there are some serious problems with the schemes, talent and players.
This needs to be fixed
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We're not signing all 3 of those FA's. We'd be lucky to get even one of them. Stop setting yourselves up for dissapointment like you did with Clowney.
We'll still get Clowney to when he asks the interviewers at the combine if they want a hit of the joint he's smoking.
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When was the last time any team signed the top 3 FA's available? Also, not all 3 will even hit FA.
Didn't we get plax, mckenzie and o'hara in the same offseason?
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Didn't we get plax, mckenzie and o'hara in the same offseason?
Two out of three.
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It was Plax, Mckenzie, and Pierce.
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So Mack, Byrd and Hardy/Alberts is totally doable! :-D
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We have to figure something out. We have too many holes. I don't know if we can realistically address them all this offseason.
We can address some needs, but we won't be able to fix everything.

I would like to see us with sustainable cap management after we get things back in control.
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I really hope this season results in a new OC and DC.

At least one has to go right?

Btw, when the Giants haven't faced a backup qb this season, our defense has been 25th in the league. Still awful. So yeah.

Our trenches are awful. We need to retool the OL and DL.
The DL has been re-tooled! We went ball out signing every DT on the market. Eventually we need to blitz more. Run blitz and pass blitz. We drafted Moore who has done nothing as a DE. Tuck is beating up on below .500 teams. JPP is hurt, and possibly figured out, and Kiwi is useless.

It's going to take awhile to fix this.
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The DL has been re-tooled! We went ball out signing every DT on the market. Eventually we need to blitz more. Run blitz and pass blitz. We drafted Moore who has done nothing as a DE. Tuck is beating up on below .500 teams. JPP is hurt, and possibly figured out, and Kiwi is useless.

It's going to take awhile to fix this.
We're going to have to go into next season hoping that Moore can be the guy opposite JPP. And we have to hope and pray that JPP can be healthy and effective next year. That's pretty much all we can do.

And if we can somehow get a 3rd pass rusher then we'll be ok on the DL. I'm not overly concerned at DT. Joseph can probably be re-signed for cheap, and even if we can't, big deal. He offers nothing other than run stuffing anyway and we drafted Hankins to be his replacement anyway.

A 3 tech would be nice. In fact if we can go after Melton in a cap friendly deal I wouldn't mind that if the doctors clear his ACL.

Linebacker, we re-sign Beason, and we draft an OLB. JWill hasn't shown enough to be relied upon. We could use a CB.

So basically on defense we need a DE, OLB, and CB. Maybe a 3 tech.

Offense, I want a whole new OL. We need to focus heavily on OL this offseason. We can't go into next season with this same cast. It's unacceptable. We need wholesale changes along the OL.
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We're going to have to go into next season hoping that Moore can be the guy opposite JPP. And we have to hope and pray that JPP can be healthy and effective next year. That's pretty much all we can do.

And if we can somehow get a 3rd pass rusher then we'll be ok on the DL. I'm not overly concerned at DT. Joseph can probably be re-signed for cheap, and even if we can't, big deal. He offers nothing other than run stuffing anyway and we drafted Hankins to be his replacement anyway.

A 3 tech would be nice. In fact if we can go after Melton in a cap friendly deal I wouldn't mind that if the doctors clear his ACL.

Linebacker, we re-sign Beason, and we draft an OLB. JWill hasn't shown enough to be relied upon. We could use a CB.

So basically on defense we need a DE, OLB, and CB. Maybe a 3 tech.

Offense, I want a whole new OL. We need to focus heavily on OL this offseason. We can't go into next season with this same cast. It's unacceptable. We need wholesale changes along the OL.
We could use a lot of CBs. Webster is useless so let him go. A lot of veterans on this team I'd let go. We need changes on the offensive in general. RB we need who can stay healthy since Brown AND Wilson can't. Add Jacobs, who is a china doll to the mix too. We have NO TE. Our X might leave too. We lack speed or home run hitting ability on offense. It's Cruz who do that, but that's it. Our offense is slow in fact.

I want a burner. I keep watching Patterson WR Vikings running all over for a TD and Tavon Austin doing the same. We NEED that kind of speed who can do that. Wilson was supposed to be that guy but is a big question mark. Give me speed, like a Sammy Watkins!
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We could use a lot of CBs. Webster is useless so let him go. A lot of veterans on this team I'd let go. We need changes on the offensive in general. RB we need who can stay healthy since Brown AND Wilson can't. Add Jacobs, who is a china doll to the mix too. We have NO TE. Our X might leave too. We lack speed or home run hitting ability on offense. It's Cruz who do that, but that's it. Our offense is slow in fact.

I want a burner. I keep watching Patterson WR Vikings running all over for a TD and Tavon Austin doing the same. We NEED that kind of speed who can do that. Wilson was supposed to be that guy but is a big question mark. Give me speed, like a Sammy Watkins!
We can't fix all of that in one offseason. I think the priority right now on offense has to be OL. We can make do with another rental TE for a year if need be. We can get by with hoping that Cruz and Randle are good enough next year, draft another WR in the mid rounds, and hope for the best.

RB can be found late in the draft. Cox may develop too.

Priority on offense has to be OL. We need to invest heavily in our OL.

And because we don't have multiple picks in the first 2 rounds, I think our priority in this draft has to be OL early.

If a great DE or CB falls in our lap then we should think about it. Same with OLB. But right here right now, unless a stud DE, CB, or OLB is there and is BPA by a wide margin, I think we have to take the best available OLmen in both rounds 1 and 2.

The need is just too great for us to pass up. Unless, again, the BPA at another position far exceeds the grade on the best available OLmen.
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No it was Plax, McKenzie, and Pierce and they weren't the top 3 FA's anyway. Kendrell Bell from the Steelers had more suitors than Pierce that year.
Still though. These are the New York Football Giants with a HOF QB and HC with the ability to hand out some big deals, we'll have pull in FA. So we can fill a hole or two in FA so we don't need an absolute home run out of the draft. Replace the coordinators, grab one of the good starting OL and one of the top defenders in FA, and things already look a heck of a lot better.

I think offensively we need two starters on the OL, if we add one in FA and one on the first two days of the draft that puts us in a workable position offensively. As the OL can do it's job with a guy like bootey as the fifth man as long as Beatty bounces back.

Defensively we need a pass rusher, with a full offseason I think JPP comes back, and with another offseason to add bulk Moore should be ready to contribute but we need some who can be an upgrade on Tuck and kiwi, don't care if that's an FA like hardy or draft pick.

And we need a DB, I like hill and brown, but we need a third safety if Rolle isn't brought back on better terms, and even if that an option a guy like Byrd would help is more. Outside prince has one spot locked up and between Rolle if he's back, McBride, Hosley if he's ever healthy and TT we have that third corner spot decently well covered but that second spot could use an upgrade. All in all as long as we upgrade at either safety or CB and sort out our pass rush I'm fine with our pass d.

At LB I'd like one, but eventually we're gunna run out of money and picks so if worst comes to worst, a re-signed beason, jacquain and a late round guy/bargain FA will have to get it done if we can upgrade at OL, DE and DB.
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I am thinking we should look at bringing back Tuck for a reasonable option and draft a DE at some point in day one or two. He has been solid for us.

We will miss out on Clowney, but we have options like Stephon Tuitt or Trent Murphy in round 1, Kony Early in round 2 and Kareem Martin could be a good option in round 3.

That would give us an experienced solid veteran and a developing youngster at LDE.

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As of today our draft picks are 12, 43, 74 in the first three rounds
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I pray to god, who I don't actually believe in, that we don't bring back tuck. I'd rather bring kiwi back to fight the rookie and Moore than tuck.
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Tuck has played above average the last 3 or 4 games and has been fine all year. I'd easily take him back for depth purposes.
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I pray to god, who I don't actually believe in, that we don't bring back tuck. I'd rather bring kiwi back to fight the rookie and Moore than tuck.
Kiwi's been maybe the worst player on defense this year.
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