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Old 12-16-2013, 11:57 AM    (permalink
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I rather have a JV DL over our pass rushers, so yes.

And beating up on our OL isn't something to toot your horn about. I don't think anyone in here ever said that Seattle's defense is average, we all said it was the best if not one of the best in the league.

But pass rusher is definitely your weakest position on defense considering you're absolutely loaded everywhere else.

That's not an insult, it just speaks volumes about how amazing the rest of your defense is.
The edge pass rushers on this Seattle team, as a group, are better than 90% of the rest of the NFL teams.

The only other teams in the discussion are the Rams (Quinn & Long), the Chiefs (Houston and Hali), the Panthers (Hardy and Johnson), and maybe the 49ers (Smith and Brooks).

And it wasn't just "beating up on the Giants OL". It was beating up on a bad offense, yes, but it was a complete and total domination. And it's not like the Seattle defense has had a bad game against ANY offense, really. Maybe the Colts game in Indy, but that's about it.
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Your pass rushers are mediocre. Bennett isn't striking fear into anybody. Clemons has been a journeyman his whole career. Irvin isn't even a pass rusher anymore. Avril couldn't even find a suitor other than Seattle. But the rest of your team is amazing.

Calm down, you don't have to be the best in the league at every position. Seattle is clearly the most talented team in the league so I don't get why you're all bothered by what we said.
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Bad offensive line play will make an entire offense look bad. It all starts up front. I came away from this game with a few thoughts.

Like everyone said, we need a whole new O-line outside of Pugh. And only because he was just drafted this past year. He's been solid but maybe had his worst game yesterday.

My other thought was that the Seattle offense needs to get better if they are going to win a Super Bowl.
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I have too much lag on this stupid computer, but do any top 10 picking teams play each other?
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I has a sad. OH well. At least our whole division is atrocious. Has to make rebounding next year easier, right?
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You guys see Big Hank doing work? Why on Earth hasn't he been seeing more snaps?

And Moore was invisible out there. That was concerning.
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I have too much lag on this stupid computer, but do any top 10 picking teams play each other?
No. It doesnt appear that way. Only us and the Skins week 17.
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I told you all to calm down regarding Moore. Loved the pick but let's give him a year before we declare him an answer to our problems.

Glad you're coming around on Hankins. We need to re-sign Linval and have both of them starting next year. Cullen could be the first DT in from rotation. Having that big duo at DT will help the pass rush if JPP is back and healthy.
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Yeah if we don't bring back Nicks, which at this point I don't see why we would, we can re-sign Joseph.

Plus I don't think Joseph will command much money anyway bc he's really just a run stuffer. He offers nothing as a pass rusher and those types aren't expensive.

That way we can focus on DE along the DL. I really want Greg Hardy but he might be too pricey.
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Linval had a sack yesterday. Right now his only job is stop the run but he can get after the passer a little bit if he's asked to do so.
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Linval had a sack yesterday. Right now his only job is stop the run but he can get after the passer a little bit if he's asked to do so.
That was a coverage sack. Wilson had that ball forever.
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He's too inconsistent to be considered a rush guy though. Every now and then sacks happen. They're outliers.
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I'm by no means saying he's a pass rusher but that doesnt even matter. How many DT's are considered pass rushers anyway? Not many at all except for Geno Atkins who is just insane.
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Linval has more sacks than JPP. Yikes.
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Your pass rushers are mediocre. Bennett isn't striking fear into anybody. Clemons has been a journeyman his whole career. Irvin isn't even a pass rusher anymore. Avril couldn't even find a suitor other than Seattle. But the rest of your team is amazing.

Calm down, you don't have to be the best in the league at every position. Seattle is clearly the most talented team in the league so I don't get why you're all bothered by what we said.
It's next to impossible to have an elite defense (i mean, top of the line, #1 in the league) without an above-average to elite pass rush.

For you to claim that Seattle's pass rushers are mediocre when they have far and away the #1 defense in the NFL (especially passing defense) is disingenuous at best.

You can have the best cornerbacks in the world but without an above-average pass rush it's impossible to have an elite defense.
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Individually your pass rushers are average at best. Put any of them on the Giants any they don't look as good. What's so hard to understand about that? The sum of the parts is greater than any individual contribution on the DL. That takes nothing away from how great your D is. What are you even arguing here?
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It's next to impossible to have an elite defense (i mean, top of the line, #1 in the league) without an above-average to elite pass rush.

For you to claim that Seattle's pass rushers are mediocre when they have far and away the #1 defense in the NFL (especially passing defense) is disingenuous at best.

You can have the best cornerbacks in the world but without an above-average pass rush it's impossible to have an elite defense.
Your pass rush was painfully mediocre last year and I felt you had the best defense in the league. After Clemons went down you just had 1 pass rusher and your defense was just fine.

This year it's slightly above average. But by no means is your pass rush dominant.

The Jets, Chiefs, 49ers, Rams, Lions, Panthers, Bills, Ravens, Texans, maaaybe the Bengals all have better DLs. That's 10 teams.

You have great run stuffers and a collection of mediocre pass rushers.
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It's next to impossible to have an elite defense (i mean, top of the line, #1 in the league) without an above-average to elite pass rush.

For you to claim that Seattle's pass rushers are mediocre when they have far and away the #1 defense in the NFL (especially passing defense) is disingenuous at best.

You can have the best cornerbacks in the world but without an above-average pass rush it's impossible to have an elite defense.
That's conventional wisdom, however I think your teams works more the opposite.
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Your pass rush was painfully mediocre last year and I felt you had the best defense in the league. After Clemons went down you just had 1 pass rusher and your defense was just fine.
After Clemons went down, RGIII and Matt Ryan proceeded to torch the secondary. Did you watch those playoff games last year?

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This year it's slightly above average. But by no means is your pass rush dominant.
The combination of all of the pass rushers gives the Seattle defense a constant wave of fresh pass rush. It's a rotation system with a bunch of really good pass rushers.

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- Jets have zero edge rush. Their "pass rush" as such is Sheldon Richardson and Muhammed Wilkerson on the inside, who are both better run defenders than pass rushers. Please watch these team's games. There's a reason the Jets are one of the top run defending teams in the NFL but struggle vs the pass.
- Chiefs with Houston and Hali are on par with the Seahawks, sure.
-49ers have a great player in Aldon Smith but as a group are not as good as Bennet, Avril, Clemons, and Irvin.
-Rams with Long and Quinn are probably on par in terms of pass rush.
-Lions have two great DTs but their edge rush is lacking.
-Panthers are on par with the Seahawks.
-Bills are like the 49ers with one good pass rusher and little else.
-Ravens collective group is not as good as the Seahawks. Suggs is a better run defender than pass rusher at this stage in his career
-Texans have JJ Watt and nothing else in terms of pass rush. Brooks Reed and Whitney Mercilus are bad.
- Bengals have Carlos Dunlap and the rest of their guys are not as good as any one of the Seahawks edge rushers.

Again, the only team I'd consider in the discussion are the 49ers, Rams, Chiefs, and Panthers.


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Did you watch yesterdays' game at all? If one of the pass rushers is game planned against or has an off day, another takes over. Case in point: Michael Bennett devouring Eli all day.
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There's no point on this one. Let's get back to the Giants and how much we suck this year please.
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Yeah let's just take this L and discuss how terrible we are this year.
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So how about that Jerrel Jernigan? Haha what a mess this offense is when he's our leading WR on the day.
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We passed on Mason Foster for Jernigan.

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Individually your pass rushers are average at best. Put any of them on the Giants any they don't look as good. What's so hard to understand about that? The sum of the parts is greater than any individual contribution on the DL. That takes nothing away from how great your D is. What are you even arguing here?
He's not arguing anything, he's merely a semi-sentient manifestation of the absurdity to which the seahawks/9ers rivalry has gotten as seahawks fans have some how managed to become even more obnoxious than 9ers fans where. So, go them?
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So Coughlin already came out and said that he's keeping Gilbride more or less.

Awesome.

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