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Old 01-06-2014, 11:02 AM    (permalink
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Mark Sanchez has the 6th highest playoff qb rating btw.

Yeah.

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And that's worse than your criteria how? Sanchez has the same playoff winning % as John Elway.
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You can go down the list of passing statistics. It doesn't matter, Rodgers ranks highly in all of them.
it's just not relevant. other qbs played in a different era, where the league didn't go out of it's way to make it difficult to play pass defense. comparing numbers out of context is not illustrative of anything.

*shrug* i think he's a good qb, but you can't say he's better than joe montana based on a box score. well, you can, but it'd be silly and deserving of ridicule.
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Well if we take away Eli's two post season runs hes been pretty awful in the post season.
Should we just throw out every QBs Super Bowl runs and then compare them? Is this the direction we're headed now? Lol.

Rodgers has been very good in the playoffs. What has his worst playoff loss looked like? I don't recall any stinkers, but I'm not going to chase the stats right now.
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Old 01-06-2014, 11:11 AM    (permalink
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Should we just throw out every QBs Super Bowl runs and then compare them? Is this the direction we're headed now? Lol.

Rodgers has been very good in the playoffs. What has his worst playoff loss looked like? I don't recall any stinkers, but I'm not going to chase the stats right now.
...thats exactly the point I was making. Not sure if you knew that or not.
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You kind of have to put guys into context in their own era.

Aaron Rodgers isn't necessarily better than someone like Montana or Elway because of his stats...

But, he has played as well, if not better than guy like Brady, Manning, and Brees over the last few years.

If he keeps it up consistently, he'll be in the conversation with any of them I think.

Times are different, but Rodgers is still a big outlier in his own era.

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We're talking about Aaron Rodgers right now. I don't see how Eli Manning has anything to do with this conversation.

I don't see how he's relevant to the conversation at all.
Probably because Eli can play mediocre football and put up 14-17 points, and we'll hear you guys talking about how clutch he is, or how he's doing elite QB things.
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it's just not relevant. other qbs played in a different era, where the league didn't go out of it's way to make it difficult to play pass defense. comparing numbers out of context is not illustrative of anything.

*shrug* i think he's a good qb, but you can't say he's better than joe montana based on a box score. well, you can, but it'd be silly and deserving of ridicule.
I don't think we should be saying hes greater than Montana no. I also don't think we should be bringing up his play off appearances with someone who has had multiple BAD games due to Rodgers not playing out of his mind. You want to make the argument he hasn't played great? Fine, but he isn't anywhere near Manning level stigmatization.
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Should we just throw out every QBs Super Bowl runs and then compare them? Is this the direction we're headed now? Lol.

Rodgers numbers have been very good in the playoffs. What has his worst playoff loss looked like? I don't recall any stinkers, but I'm not going to chase the stats right now.
This. He's not playing defense. He repeatedly put the Packers in position to win, but his defense repeatedly let Kaepernick lead the 9ers right back down the field. It's not like he's going out there having Blaine Gabbert-esque games.
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Old 01-06-2014, 11:23 AM    (permalink
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This. He's not playing defense. He repeatedly put the Packers in position to win, but his defense repeatedly let Kaepernick lead the 9ers right back down the field. It's not like he's going out there having Blaine Gabbert-esque games.
Not to mention, his OL was horrendous yesterday.

Sometimes I guess it's better to have lowered expectations. I suppose it's more impressive when Flacco or Eli play well during the postseason, since they generally play like crap during the regular season. This makes them clutch playoff performers. Rodgers plays as fantastic as he usually does during the playoffs and he has a blemish on his legacy. That is some bizarro world rationale right there.
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I don't think we should be saying hes greater than Montana no. I also don't think we should be bringing up his play off appearances with someone who has had multiple BAD games due to Rodgers not playing out of his mind. You want to make the argument he hasn't played great? Fine, but he isn't anywhere near Manning level stigmatization.
and i'm absolutely not getting into that argument. i think this board is absolutely silly in how some players are beyond reproach no matter what, but some other players (geno smith) are the worst players ever after one game. it's funny how (some, not pointing fingers at anyone) people don't see anything odd in that.

i just don't think rodgers' passer rating is evidence of anything.
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Not to mention, his OL was horrendous yesterday.
I wouldn't say the offensive line was horrendous yesterday. Aaron has a propensity to hold the ball too long and there were a couple instances where he took sacks yesterday and it became damning to that drive.

Aaron is a very good quarterback, and thus he is held to a higher standard. The defense wasn't great yesterday, but they put the team in a position to win. The team had to settle for a 24 yard field goal to tie the game with five minutes left and everyone knew how the game was going to turn out at that point. The offense, which has had its red zone struggles seemingly every year, didn't find the end zone when they needed to most.

And to those who say he played good enough, when you're deemed great, good enough isn't acceptable. The team has lost to the Giants and now San Francisco twice in their last three playoff appearances and Rodgers hasn't played to the level of a 'great' quarterback. That's the simple truth. Have there been issues with the team, especially these last two years? Of course but Aaron hasn't played to the level that all fans expect to see out of him and it's fair to be critical of that.
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and i'm absolutely not getting into that argument. i think this board is absolutely silly in how some players are beyond reproach no matter what, but some other players (geno smith) are the worst players ever after one game. it's funny how (some, not pointing fingers at anyone) people don't see anything odd in that.

i just don't think rodgers' passer rating is evidence of anything.
I agree and happen to think people here are way over reactionary to things. Remember when Brees was #1 after his SB win, and Manning wasn't even top 5 like last year? Granted I may be one of those people you were referring to in regards to geno (which I happen to think wont work out for off the field related issues rather than just not being a good prospect (( That locker room / staff/ NY environment is nothing but a hindrance for a prospect like Geno imo)).

I'm not even going to use passer rating as an example. He just hasn't played poorly in his post season appearances, especially to be brought up like this. We can say he hasn't played exceptionally well and that would be a far more reasonable conversation but at this point its a major reach to compare him to manning's career in the post season, and even I think thats vastly over stated at this point. (He's also going to slaughter everyone on the way to the SB this year I'm pretty damn sure(Manning that is)).
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...thats exactly the point I was making. Not sure if you knew that or not.
I did. I was agreeing with you in a sarcastic tone.

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No QB is capable of winning Super Bowls by himself.

A prerequisite to winning a Super Bowl is usually a top-5 defense or something close to it. In 2010, the Packers were #1 in the league in passing defense and top-5 in defense overall.

All you need to win a Super Bowl is a competent, top-15 QB, and a good defense. You don't need an "elite" QB. If you do have an elite QB, you still need a good defense (especially passing defense).

Eli Manning, over the course of his career, is barely a top-10 QB at any given time in the NFL. He's right on the line of #10/#11. But he won two Super Bowls on teams that were playing great defense. That doesn't make him a better QB, purely as a QB, than Rodgers, or Peyton, or Brees. It just makes him a top-15 QB who was playing on a team with a great defense that got hot at the right time.

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Safety Morgan Burnett, #42, the fool on this one.
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P. Manning is pretty Damn good in the playoffs as well, he doesn't choke in CC, it just his defense let's him down. That would be a fair statement.
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Originally Posted by Borat View Post
Take away all of a QBs successes and he will look like a giant failure.

That's why we SWDC.
Exactly.

Colin Kaepernick has MORE road playoff victories than Joe Montana and Steve Young COMBINED!!!


Cherry picking stats FTMFW!!!
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