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Old 03-26-2014, 08:56 AM    (permalink
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Yea but then we do a good job with UDFA's. It makes no sense.
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Yea but then we do a good job with UDFA's. It makes no sense.
It just goes to show you that the draft really is a complete crap shoot.

Jimmy Johnson once said that the only to guarantee success in the draft is to accumulate as many picks as possible, bc the more picks you have the higher chance you get more players out of the draft bc of probability and luck.

Maybe he's right.
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Yea but then we do a good job with UDFA's. It makes no sense.
Have we? Victor Cruz may have been an gift invite because he was the local kid. We may have just literally stepped in **** with that one. Pure gold ****.
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Yes that was pure **** but Will Hill, Paysinger, Hynoski, Herzlich.
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...don't ever include Herzlich in that list.
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...don't ever include Herzlich in that list.
I will. He's done more for the team than some of the players drafted ahead of him even if it is just ST work. Not his fault our LB corps was so bad he was forced to start.
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I will. He's done more for the team than some of the players drafted ahead of him even if it is just ST work. Not his fault our LB corps was so bad he was forced to start.
A blind monkey can do special teams. Citing him as a UDFA find bc he was a solid special teamer is reaching.

He's wasting a roster spot.
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It sucks that we let go of McCants and he wound up being a decent backup RT for the Raiders who started some games.

He's not good by any means, but he's probably better depth than what we currently have on the roster. Should've kept him.
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He's fine in a backup LB role as well. You're just a hater on he and Zak.
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I feel like Hill was luck too. Everyone knew he had the talent. He was just a local kid we took a chance on.
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All UDFAs are luck. If it wasn't luck, we would've drafted them in the 7th round.
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Barr reminds me too much of Aaron curry, Aaron maybin. I'm very skeptical of him.

Mack is my #1 LB and Shazier my #2
I agree. I thought of Aaron Curry as well. LBs so early in the draft make me nervous.
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All UDFAs are luck. If it wasn't luck, we would've drafted them in the 7th round.
There is some risk vs reward decisions that have to be made. Let's say we were truly considering taking Cruz in the 7th (I don't think we were). You can draft someone else in the 7th if you believe you can convince Cruz to come because of the local ties. As opposed to your 7th round pick who may be from Texas for example.

Will Hill was all character. That was the only reason he wasn't a 3rd or 4th round pick. Or drafted at all. Hill was a top 5 recruit coming out of HS, everyone knew he was talented. We just took a chance on his character. And that part of it has been a mixed bag.
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Hill wasn't all that amazing at Florida though even with the high recruit status. If you go back and looked when we signed him not many people were too excited.
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There is some risk vs reward decisions that have to be made. Let's say we were truly considering taking Cruz in the 7th (I don't think we were). You can draft someone else in the 7th if you believe you can convince Cruz to come because of the local ties. As opposed to your 7th round pick who may be from Texas for example.

Will Hill was all character. That was the only reason he wasn't a 3rd or 4th round pick. Or drafted at all. Hill was a top 5 recruit coming out of HS, everyone knew he was talented. We just took a chance on his character. And that part of it has been a mixed bag.
I think at that point in the draft you don't risk chance like that. You take the guy you feel is the best player and worry about UDFA when it's time. Most teams look at UDFA as a way to round out their practice squad. Anything beyond that is a bonus.
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Tom Coughlin at breakfast with the media this morning
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More on Wilson, will need another RB to be safe
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If we need another RB just to be safe, that doesn't sound like a strong endorsement for Cox (pause).

Although I can still see the need for a RB even if Cox is good (pause longer).
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Hillis is our 3rd RB if Wilson is healthy. Don't think we'll carry 4 plus a FB.
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Oh right. Forgot about Hillis. So that basically means Cox isn't going to work out either.

So to wrap up our last draft, we didn't hit on a single pick after round 3 AGAIN.

4. Nassib - sucks
5. Taylor - doesn't sound promising
6. Hermans - sucks
7. Cox - doesn't sound promising

Another bad year for our scouting department in the rounds where scouts "earn their money"
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The comments on RR is telling. I am guessing consistency is based on route running. Reese basically said the same thing and didn't get his stamp of approval as an X.

So we probably draft an X somewhere.
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Embrace Mike Evans NYG. It's a good pick if we make it.
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Oh right. Forgot about Hillis. So that basically means Cox isn't going to work out either.

So to wrap up our last draft, we didn't hit on a single pick after round 3 AGAIN.

4. Nassib - sucks
5. Taylor - doesn't sound promising
6. Hermans - sucks
7. Cox - doesn't sound promising

Another bad year for our scouting department in the rounds where scouts "earn their money"
I thought you liked Nassib when I was railing on him all that time?
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Oh right. Forgot about Hillis. So that basically means Cox isn't going to work out either.

So to wrap up our last draft, we didn't hit on a single pick after round 3 AGAIN.

4. Nassib - sucks
5. Taylor - doesn't sound promising
6. Hermans - sucks
7. Cox - doesn't sound promising

Another bad year for our scouting department in the rounds where scouts "earn their money"
It's Ross. What has Ross actually done here?

Reese drafted for Accorsi and did a good job. Reese did the GM job AND his old job in 2007 and hit a home run. He proved he can draft. How about Ross? What has he done in terms of a whole draft class? We had extra picks from the Shockey trade and he botched that up.
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I thought you liked Nassib when I was railing on him all that time?
I did. I was wrong. Swing and a miss Zak!
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I did. I was wrong. Swing and a miss Zak!
It happens to all of us. I just throught I was possibly remembering wrong. I'm all for Scotty's idea last night of Evans and Niklas/OL.
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