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Old 04-02-2014, 09:35 AM    (permalink
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So basically on offense our in house talent moving forward will be Eli, Randle, Cruz, Pugh and mayyybe Jernigan. That's it.

On defense, JPP, Moore, Prince, maaaybe Hill, Hank...and that's it.

Wow. That speaks volumes. It really does.
Which basically says what I've said all along. "In Jerry we trust"? He's been on a sharp decline ever since that first home run of a draft. Now that all of Ernie's players have gotten old and retired, this team lacks home grown talent.
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Ayers official. 2 year deal.
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Which basically says what I've said all along. "In Jerry we trust"? He's been on a sharp decline ever since that first home run of a draft. Now that all of Ernie's players have gotten old and retired, this team lacks home grown talent.
To be fair, a lot of his guys just got hurt. Thomas was a stud who got hurt. Kenny was a stud who got hurt. Wilson got hurt before his career could ever take off. Koets was looking like our future C then tears his ACL. Mario was a good get but we lost him in FA. Joseph. Bradshaw. Boss. Ballard. Sintim tears his ACL twice.

We hit on several guys, but they just didn't last long for whatever reason, whether it was health or lost in free agency.

He's not as bad as he looks right now but he probably wasn't as great as we made him out to be either.
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Ayers official. 2 year deal.
I'm pretty cool with this. More trench depth. In all honesty, TE is our biggest, most glaring need. I think we really do just go BPA. Or Ebron.
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Ayers is at least solid vs the run.
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TE and DT should top the list of needs. I wonder what our cap figure is currently at.. Has to be real close. Not that we have to but I wouldn't be surprised if we see an extension with Rolle soon.
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It really is setting up that Ebron is the likely pick. Barf!
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It really is setting up that Ebron is the likely pick. Barf!
Crossing my fingers for Donald.

Although, we should realize, a guy like Ayers isn't going to stop us from bringing anyone else in at DE.

I think the only signings that would merit on us not picking a guy are the DRC and Schwartz signings, although Geoff doesn't really because we need another guard anyway
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Im still hopeful for Barr, I don't think we need another interior lineman, especially if we use a hybrid front. I honestly think that one defensive pick would all necessary to solidify ourselves on that side of the ball.

Then we have 6 picks to play with for offense. With needs at TE, WR, G/T, RB we could go pretty much BPA and that is helpful when WR and RB are pretty damn deep. Whatever McAdoo wants is what I'll be happy with, hes a TE coach installing the system.
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It really is setting up that Ebron is the likely pick. Barf!
If no Lewan or Martin, then Heck...yes! Ebron! Ebron! Ebron!
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If no Lewan or Martin, then Heck...yes! Ebron! Ebron! Ebron!
Yeah I kind of want Ebron too if they think they can reel in his character. I think he can be the biggest immediate impact.
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Yeah I kind of what Ebron too. I think he can be the biggest immediate impact.
I think Lewan and martin could do. It's not sexy but they'd be solid for us. But in terms of bringing sexy back, Ebron! Ebron! Ebron!

Finally the excitement of play making which is all gone from the shockey days. Damn now that seems like a big time distant memory.
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Ewwwwwww. I really don't like Ebron.
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**** no to Ebron. The guy is not a special tight end. Why are we wasting picks on a TE in the first round? Look at the majority of top TEs. Where were they picked? Later in the draft. You can get good TEs later on.
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Hmm i just found all my football stuff in some hidden box. I have playbooks, offensive binder, special teams binder and drills, and defensive binder, call sheets, game break downs, and blank sheets for coaching. Funny when you look for stuff you can't find it, but when you aren't looking for stuff, it gets found.

BBD one day when I meet you, I will give you copies of it. I think you'd like some of the stuff I have here.
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**** no to Ebron. The guy is not a special tight end. Why are we wasting picks on a TE in the first round? Look at the majority of top TEs. Where were they picked? Later in the draft. You can get good TEs later on.
You're not going to special picking at the 12th spot. KW 2 and Davis were 6th overall pick. No such thing as special at 12 for TE. Can he be a Shockey for us? If he is, I think that would be a huge boost for us. Also, depends on the system we run too.

He would be a big time weapon for us and much needed too.
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I think Lewan and martin could do. It's not sexy but they'd be solid for us. But in terms of bringing sexy back, Ebron! Ebron! Ebron!

Finally the excitement of play making which is all gone from the shockey days. Damn now that seems like a big time distant memory.
I don't like Martin that high at #12. I don't trust Reese to hit on extra picks if we trade back and get Martin and acquire more picks.
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Evans>>Ebron. Evans is a notoriously hard worker and has already turned himself into a very good blocker on the outside. Also gives Eli a big target which has helped in the past.
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If Evans is there, it's a no-brainer. Problem is that Evans probably won't be there...

I'm still trying to figure out the OL. I don't know if they would use a high pick on OL because of Beatty's huge contract.
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I don't like Martin that high at #12. I don't trust Reese to hit on extra picks if we trade back and get Martin and acquire more picks.
If he can be a solid guard then I'd do it. I think he is pro ready and the safest actually. Put him next to Pugh at RG, and with Martin and Pugh, that would be a very good and solid right side.

I don't trust Ross with more picks. After seeing the peeing away of picks for the Shockey trade draft, I don't want Ross with more picks. That draft was god awful. Clint S., Barden, Beckum and Rhett Bomar. That was a swing and miss one after another..

Nicks, and Beatty were the two guys. We missed on every single guy. LOL. Flat out pathetic draft. No please no more picks for Ross.
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Evans>>Ebron. Evans is a notoriously hard worker and has already turned himself into a very good blocker on the outside. Also gives Eli a big target which has helped in the past.
Ebron isn't small either. I want a play maker, not another freaking tall WR. I want speed! We have to have the slowest offense. Only home run hitter is Cruz and even he is a question mark coming off a knee and into a new system.

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Lewan
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Evans or Gilbert I flip flop depending on the weather
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Info on Robert Ayers contract

New York Giants DE Robert Ayers' two-year deal is believed to be worth around $4 million, according to a source. The deal includes $1.75 million in guarantees and is packed with incentives - See more at: http://kffl.com/hotw/NFL?page=2#sthash.s9sK92LF.dpuf
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Yuck. Ayers sucks. I don't like that signing.
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To be fair, a lot of his guys just got hurt. Thomas was a stud who got hurt. Kenny was a stud who got hurt. Wilson got hurt before his career could ever take off. Koets was looking like our future C then tears his ACL. Mario was a good get but we lost him in FA. Joseph. Bradshaw. Boss. Ballard. Sintim tears his ACL twice.

We hit on several guys, but they just didn't last long for whatever reason, whether it was health or lost in free agency.

He's not as bad as he looks right now but he probably wasn't as great as we made him out to be either.
Our two Superbowls where also a big factor. All of a sudden these guys were hitting FA with SB champ on their resume and memorable plays that got them extra bucks, extra bucks we couldn't afford to be handing everyone.

I'm fine with the general plan of snagging FAs who can make us competitive in a **** division for a few years that we're not tied to while we rebuild, waiting for Eli to finally break and us to draft our next guy. Hopefully we add some pass rushers and playmakers this draft. Sounds like Barr and Evans are the guys I want to make it to our pick.
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Point #1 by Rose: Frigging awful and wrong and I like the signing for depth.

Point #2 by Rose: An excellent point that we probably don't mention enough.
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I am not a big Ebron fan at 12. I don't think he is good value there.

I think he will be available at 12, the only other team I can see drafting him early is Atlanta and they will likely have better options.



I expect there will be quality talent at OT, OLB and CB available when we pick and that a team around 15-20 will be interested in trading up.

Mind you I also think Donald is not worth drafting at 12.

If we trade back to somewhere arouns 18ish, I think there is a good chance that Eric Ebron or Aaron Donald is available.

If not there is a good plan B in drafting Timmy Jernigan and grabbing a TE like Amaro, Seferian Jenkins or Niklas in the second round.
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