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Old 05-01-2014, 11:01 AM    (permalink
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Hey, I sort of have to admire your fanhood. Through it all, you never waiver, so cheers to you.

I just could never bring myself to blindly accept and support an institution just because of sports. It's just crazy to me.
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Hey, I sort of have to admire your fanhood. Through it all, you never waiver, so cheers to you.

I just could never bring myself to blindly accept and support an institution just because of sports. It's just crazy to me.
I am objectively looking at what she gave the police to work with, which really wasn't much. They probably did screw up by calling Winston first, instead of trying to catch him off guard, but either way it ends with him getting an attorney and invoking his right to remain silent, so at the end of the day I don't see that as the game changer the media made it out to be.
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So using facts is evil?
You use facts sparingly and as it suits you. WRT defending a guy that assaulted a chick, fine, you can try to play the He Said/She Said line (you know the witnesses saying it was all cool being the guys he plays with).

But you can't defend the police. They intentionally ****** this up.

The police are complicit in covering up this case.

There is a whole bunch of rotten going on in Tallahassee. You want to blindly defend a guy that likely assaulted a chick? Go for it. If you want to defend the city police and DAs that intentionally botched an investigation, you are embracing institutional evil and corruption.

The sum of it is that you love wins and losses of your football team over any any semblance of what we in the west value as right and wrong in a healthy society.
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You use facts sparingly and as it suits you. WRT defending a guy that assaulted a chick, fine, you can try to play the He Said/She Said line (you know the witnesses saying it was all cool being the guys he plays with).

But you can't defend the police. They intentionally ****** this up.

The police are complicit in covering up this case.

There is a whole bunch of rotten going on in Tallahassee. You want to blindly defend a guy that likely assaulted a chick? Go for it. If you want to defend the city police and DAs that intentionally botched an investigation, you are embracing institutional evil and corruption.

The sum of it is that you love wins and losses of your football team over any any semblance of what we in the west value as right and wrong in a healthy society.
Aww yes, that piece of hack journalism by the NYT that never bothered mentioning any relevant facts as they pertained to Winston's innocence while completely ignoring the FACT Winston's teammate Greg Dent was indefinitely suspended following a rape charge. But why let the facts get away in the way of sensational journalism.

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The university expresses its deep disappointment in today's New York Times story alleging FSU officials did not properly investigate a rape allegation against Jameis Winston "in apparent violation of federal law." It also vigorously objects to the newspaper's characterization of the university as being uncooperative in explaining its actions.

The university provided the newspaper with a general statement (below) and numerous written answers over a period of weeks. Most of the responses were left out of the story, giving readers an incorrect impression of the university's efforts on behalf of sexual assault victims under Title IX.

Among the points FSU emphasized but were either missing or downplayed in the NYT article:

FSU does not tolerate sexual assault. Even one sexual assault is a problem. Like other colleges and universities that are grappling with this issue, we actively provide programs and educate students on safe behavior, the meaning of consent and how to properly report cases of sexual misconduct. Contrary to the article's over-arching theme, FSU takes this matter seriously.

State and federal privacy laws govern the university's ability to comment on a particular student or disciplinary matter. This is particularly crucial in cases of sexual assault, where victims may request privacy to heal. To interpret the university's silence as a lack of interest or an insufficient "level of energy" is utterly wrong.
The university must balance its duty to investigate sexual assault cases with the welfare of the victim. Many students who contact the Victim Advocate Program make it clear they are only seeking counseling and academic accommodations. They either decline or want to delay the decision to go forward with university or criminal proceedings. Guidance from the U.S. Dept. of Education (April 2011 "Dear Colleague" letter) makes it abundantly clear that the university needs to take these wishes into account. To rush victims or disregard their wishes not to proceed would be re-traumatizing and hinder their recovery.

Nevertheless, as part of its services to victims, the Victim Advocate Program always advises its clients about the option to file a criminal or Code of Conduct complaint or both. Advocates often explain the option more than once and even offer to support the victim through every step of the process, including accompanying the victim to the police station or a student Code of Conduct hearing.

The article also failed to explain the extent of the other services offered by the university's victim advocates, who are trained and dedicated professionals providing 24-hour, on-call assistance to victims. Among the services are finding a victim or family members a safe place to stay; making referrals to counselors; re-arranging class schedules to accommodate the victim's needs; contacting professors to reschedule exams; finding accommodations for the victim's roommates; planning social accommodations; helping victims drop classes or get copies of their transcripts; and providing support and resources to family members. These accommodations are precisely the type of actions contemplated by the "Dear Colleague" letter and are offered to every victim.

The Victim Advocate Program operates under a statute unique to Florida that gives all rape crisis counselors a confidentiality privilege. Advocates cannot breach this confidentiality--even to talk to police--without a waiver from the client.
In the case examined by The Times involving Jameis Winston, no university official outside the Victim Advocate Program received a report from any complainant naming Winston prior to when the allegations were made public in November 2013.
At no time has there been or is there now a complaint on record from a student referred to by the State Attorney's Office. The university has been aware of the information in The Times article, however, and has fulfilled all of its legal obligations under Title IX.

The paper's suggestion that FSU underreports sexual assaults is misleading. The campus statistics used by The Times to make that point do not account for the crucial fact that 83 percent of FSU's students live off-campus, where incidents are handled by the Tallahassee Police Department and are not required to be reported as part of the university's annual campus crime statistics. Despite this, the university provides full victim services to any student regardless of where he or she lives.

The Times has done its readers, as well as the FSU community, a disservice by omitting these answers and by seriously misrepresenting the university's concern and care for its students who are victims of sexual assault.

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Why in the hell haven't I put Massnole on ignore yet?

He must be blinded by all the cum shots that he takes from Jimbo and Winston.

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Why in the hell haven't I put Massnole on ignore yet?

He must be blinded by all the cum shots that he takes from Jimbo and Winston.

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Do you even know what rape is?
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So no, you don't know what it is.
So is that a yes that you were willing?
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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The university expresses its deep disappointment in today's New York Times story alleging FSU officials did not properly investigate a rape allegation against Jameis Winston "in apparent violation of federal law." It also vigorously objects to the newspaper's characterization of the university as being uncooperative in explaining its actions.

The university provided the newspaper with a general statement (below) and numerous written answers over a period of weeks. Most of the responses were left out of the story, giving readers an incorrect impression of the university's efforts on behalf of sexual assault victims under Title IX.

Among the points FSU emphasized but were either missing or downplayed in the NYT article:

FSU does not tolerate sexual assault. Even one sexual assault is a problem. Like other colleges and universities that are grappling with this issue, we actively provide programs and educate students on safe behavior, the meaning of consent and how to properly report cases of sexual misconduct. Contrary to the article's over-arching theme, FSU takes this matter seriously.

State and federal privacy laws govern the university's ability to comment on a particular student or disciplinary matter. This is particularly crucial in cases of sexual assault, where victims may request privacy to heal. To interpret the university's silence as a lack of interest or an insufficient "level of energy" is utterly wrong.
The university must balance its duty to investigate sexual assault cases with the welfare of the victim. Many students who contact the Victim Advocate Program make it clear they are only seeking counseling and academic accommodations. They either decline or want to delay the decision to go forward with university or criminal proceedings. Guidance from the U.S. Dept. of Education (April 2011 "Dear Colleague" letter) makes it abundantly clear that the university needs to take these wishes into account. To rush victims or disregard their wishes not to proceed would be re-traumatizing and hinder their recovery.

Nevertheless, as part of its services to victims, the Victim Advocate Program always advises its clients about the option to file a criminal or Code of Conduct complaint or both. Advocates often explain the option more than once and even offer to support the victim through every step of the process, including accompanying the victim to the police station or a student Code of Conduct hearing.

The article also failed to explain the extent of the other services offered by the university's victim advocates, who are trained and dedicated professionals providing 24-hour, on-call assistance to victims. Among the services are finding a victim or family members a safe place to stay; making referrals to counselors; re-arranging class schedules to accommodate the victim's needs; contacting professors to reschedule exams; finding accommodations for the victim's roommates; planning social accommodations; helping victims drop classes or get copies of their transcripts; and providing support and resources to family members. These accommodations are precisely the type of actions contemplated by the "Dear Colleague" letter and are offered to every victim.

The Victim Advocate Program operates under a statute unique to Florida that gives all rape crisis counselors a confidentiality privilege. Advocates cannot breach this confidentiality--even to talk to police--without a waiver from the client.
In the case examined by The Times involving Jameis Winston, no university official outside the Victim Advocate Program received a report from any complainant naming Winston prior to when the allegations were made public in November 2013.
At no time has there been or is there now a complaint on record from a student referred to by the State Attorney's Office. The university has been aware of the information in The Times article, however, and has fulfilled all of its legal obligations under Title IX.

The paper's suggestion that FSU underreports sexual assaults is misleading. The campus statistics used by The Times to make that point do not account for the crucial fact that 83 percent of FSU's students live off-campus, where incidents are handled by the Tallahassee Police Department and are not required to be reported as part of the university's annual campus crime statistics. Despite this, the university provides full victim services to any student regardless of where he or she lives.

The Times has done its readers, as well as the FSU community, a disservice by omitting these answers and by seriously misrepresenting the university's concern and care for its students who are victims of sexual assault.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5247267.html

Hey MassNole, at least there are 54 other colleges that you can make fun of for mishandling sexual assault cases like your boys in Tallahassee.
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Hey MassNole, at least there are 54 other colleges that you can make fun of for mishandling sexual assault cases like your boys in Tallahassee.
Funny how I see Ohio State and USCw on there.......

Also strange that Harvard's on there twice, you'd think it would be one inclusive investigation into every college of the University.
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Funny how I see Ohio State and USCw on there.......
Funny how you still continuously think that some other schools mistake makes your QB any less of an idiot.
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Funny how you still continuously think that some other schools mistake makes your QB any less of an idiot.
Wow he committed a civil infraction, he should definitely be crucified in the town square.
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Funny how I see Ohio State and USCw on there.......

Also strange that Harvard's on there twice, you'd think it would be one inclusive investigation into every college of the University.
I don't believe I've ever defended Ohio State or USC. Glad to see you don't think it's a big deal since others are doing it, too.
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I was referring to 2 others.
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Funny how I see Ohio State and USCw on there.......

Also strange that Harvard's on there twice, you'd think it would be one inclusive investigation into every college of the University.
I would not defend OSU bungling or covering up a rape case, theft case, violence, etc...

The whole culture around CFB is completely effed up and broken. Psychopaths like you (or how you portray yourself online to be, one can hope that it is fake) are what enable these kids to think they can get away with theft, rape, and murder.

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Pretty sure if Winston killed someone, he'd still defend him saying that Florida let Hernandez around and that other colleges have murderers.
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But I'm sure everyone else knows better.
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I would not defend OSU bungling or covering up a rape case, theft case, violence, etc...

The whole culture around CFB is completely effed up and broken. Psychopaths like you (or how you portray yourself online to be, one can hope that it is fake) are what enable these kids to think they can get away with theft, rape, and murder.
So defending someone wrongly accused of a horrendous crime as others repeatedly ignore facts makes you a sociopath?
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But I'm sure everyone else knows better.
Haha and I'm sure tomahawknation.com is a completely unbiased news source.
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Haha and I'm sure tomahawknation.com is a completely unbiased news source.
Glad you said it and not me. Yours was much more appropriate.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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It was the site that broke the story in the first place.
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It was the site that broke the story in the first place.
So that means they can't completely BS the story of how it went down?

Ok...
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